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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

I am not saying you are wrong that you have read a lot of documents and not heard page break announced. But the problem occurs when you export a document from Openbook to a text file. I don't know what other programs leave page breaks in the file when you export or save them in text format from another format. Other list members may want to discuss that.

I also don't know if this problem occurs if you read a text file in Word or in many other word processors. I do know that if you read a text file exported from Openbook in Notepad, that the page break is spoken. The person didn't explain what program she is using to read the document. We dohn't know the history of the document, whether someone sent it to her, or whether she exported it in text format from a program nor what program she is using to read the program.

But the problem does make perfect sense. If the page breaks are retained, they will be shown in notepad as if they were revealed codes and NVDA speaks them unless you make the adjustment I discussed in earlier messages. If the person does what has been suggested, the problem will be solved.

My guess is that the person is using Notepad to read the file, though we don't know that and that it was exported from another program. She may not know the history of the file if it were sent to her.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 6:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:14 PM, Gene wrote:
Are my messages being completely ignored in the debate by both of you?-
No, Gene, they're not. But the situation makes no sense at all.

I've been around I can't say how many files being read by NVDA, with multiple pages, with page breaks in "read all" mode and never recall a page break being announced.

I will say it one more time, and I'm done: I doubt very, very much that this is NVDA, per se. There is something odd about the source material. It happens. Yet no one wants to acknowledge that, it seems.

I could be wrong, and I'll admit that, but it's something worth considering.

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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:14 PM, Gene wrote:
Are my messages being completely ignored in the debate by both of you?
-
No, Gene, they're not.  But the situation makes no sense at all.

I've been around I can't say how many files being read by NVDA, with multiple pages, with page breaks in "read all" mode and never recall a page break being announced.

I will say it one more time, and I'm done:  I doubt very, very much that this is NVDA, per se.  There is something odd about the source material.  It happens.  Yet no one wants to acknowledge that, it seems.

I could be wrong, and I'll admit that, but it's something worth considering.
 
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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

I just checked and my messages are showing up online, just as they should be. Then why are they not being referenced or the information not being used in discussing the question. I experimented after seeing Ann's suggestion yesterday and discussed the solution to the problem I found.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 6:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Are my messages being completely ignored in the debate by both of you? I
explained the situation yesterday. Are my messages not showing up on line?

First, the dialog being discussed covers infinitely more than just
punctuation. I had thought it was just for punctuation, but a quick looked
showed that it covered emoji, and many other symbols than punctuation.

Again, if you find the page break symbol in the list and set its occurrence
to all, then set your punctuation level to below all, page break will not be
spoken.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Ann,

Calm down!! It would be odd, very odd, for NVDA to announce
something in the punctuation class that no other screen reader does, or this
would crop up far more often than in this isolated circumstance.

You can believe what you wish to believe. I believe there's
something peculiar in how the file is being created by the translation
software, not NVDA. I've been around many an MS-Word document, with page
breaks, that when being read does not announce their presence in continuous
reading because that white space is not relevant.

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fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

Are my messages being completely ignored in the debate by both of you? I explained the situation yesterday. Are my messages not showing up on line?

First, the dialog being discussed covers infinitely more than just punctuation. I had thought it was just for punctuation, but a quick looked showed that it covered emoji, and many other symbols than punctuation.

Again, if you find the page break symbol in the list and set its occurrence to all, then set your punctuation level to below all, page break will not be spoken.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Ann,

Calm down!! It would be odd, very odd, for NVDA to announce something in the punctuation class that no other screen reader does, or this would crop up far more often than in this isolated circumstance.

You can believe what you wish to believe. I believe there's something peculiar in how the file is being created by the translation software, not NVDA. I've been around many an MS-Word document, with page breaks, that when being read does not announce their presence in continuous reading because that white space is not relevant.

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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

Ann,

          Calm down!!    It would be odd, very odd, for NVDA to announce something in the punctuation class that no other screen reader does, or this would crop up far more often than in this isolated circumstance.

           You can believe what you wish to believe.  I believe there's something peculiar in how the file is being created by the translation software, not NVDA.  I've been around many an MS-Word document, with page breaks, that when being read does not announce their presence in continuous reading because that white space is not relevant.

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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Brian, I thought we cleared up this issue. It's not her fault that she doesn't communicate well. The subj line should have been how to stop Jaws or NVDA from announcing page-breaks during continuous reading in Wordpad/notepad.

This is a screen reader issue, *not* a notepad or wordpad issue. I repeat, this is a screen reader issue! I tried to be nice about this, but obviously, I'm not getting through! All this hoo-ha about getting rid of the actual page-breaks in the document is akin to moving all the milk and cream out of the dairy instead of just removing the damned cat!

You do not want to remove the page-breaks from *any* document, I don't care what wordprocessor you're using. Being able to navigate by page in a document is crucial! Taking all the page-breaks out of a document merely to stop a screen reader from announcing them is foolish and counter-productive! It's not needed!! I don't have time, but maybe somebody who has a modicum of sense ought to go over to the NVDA list and pose the question there. The answer might be forthcoming! Oh, and you might want to find out if these are hard or soft page-breaks. <sardonic grin>


Ann P.


Original message:

I have been following this thread intermittently hoping that, eventually, all would become clear, but it's getting worse as far as being able to offer guidance from my perspective.
Question one is: What is the source of the material that has the phrase "page break" announced in notepad? Is it a copy and paste of, say, an MS-Word document, PDF, etc.?
Plain text files created as plain text files should not have page break characters in them to begin with, and this strongly suggests that something was converted from some other original format, and clumsily.
The answer probably lies not in doing anything related to the screen reader, but in having the original plain text generated correctly, or using the actual native file format it came from to read it.
There are also methods that can be used to strip a file of any given character or character sequence, but unless the only source is the thing that's giving you the problem that's really a very last resort.
If you're able to share an example of a file that's giving you this problem that would be helpful, too.
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Re: signing up for amazon prime

Bryan Hagenau
 

I have Amazon prime and I love it. 

On 9/13/2020 2:16 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Must I sign up for a real charity?  Or can I pretend to be a charity and send it to myself?  OK, I know.  Can't do it; but not to worry; I'm gonna win the lottery this week.

Howard

On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Troy,

            Even if you're dropped from Amazon Prime, you can sign up again (and permanently if you so choose) on your very next Amazon purchase.  Amazon pushes Amazon Prime so heavily that it's hard to avoid offers from them when purchasing to become a Prime member if you happen not to be one.

            As an aside, for anyone who's an Amazon shopper, and would like to support any one of thousands of charities, including your local ones, consider using smile.amazon.com (and the site is owned and operated by Amazon, and is indistinguishable from main Amazon) and going through the process of setting up the charity you'd like part of your purchase amount to support.  It's really tiny, but there's no direct cost to you, and all charities can use all the help they can get.  I don't use Amazon nearly as much as many do, so I've only generated a massive $4.47 for the charity I chose, but every little bit helps.
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Re: signing up for amazon prime

Howard Traxler
 

Must I sign up for a real charity?  Or can I pretend to be a charity and send it to myself?  OK, I know.  Can't do it; but not to worry; I'm gonna win the lottery this week.

Howard

On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Troy,

            Even if you're dropped from Amazon Prime, you can sign up again (and permanently if you so choose) on your very next Amazon purchase.  Amazon pushes Amazon Prime so heavily that it's hard to avoid offers from them when purchasing to become a Prime member if you happen not to be one.

            As an aside, for anyone who's an Amazon shopper, and would like to support any one of thousands of charities, including your local ones, consider using smile.amazon.com (and the site is owned and operated by Amazon, and is indistinguishable from main Amazon) and going through the process of setting up the charity you'd like part of your purchase amount to support.  It's really tiny, but there's no direct cost to you, and all charities can use all the help they can get.  I don't use Amazon nearly as much as many do, so I've only generated a massive $4.47 for the charity I chose, but every little bit helps.
--

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Re: Definitive Analysis Of SiriusXM and the NFL App For listening to Live NFL Radio Play-By-Play

Veronica Kirk
 

If you have issues with listening to the NFL games on the radio or an app, just turn the TV on. I have no problems following the games that are on CBS or Fox, but I do not like the guys that broadcast the games on NBC.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 10:11 AM
To: TechTalk Mailing List <TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Definitive Analysis Of SiriusXM and the NFL App For listening to Live NFL Radio Play-By-Play

Hi Group,

This is a long post. If you aren't interested in NFL play-by-play broadcast, you might stop reading now.

On this and a few other lists, I initiated a discussion about how to best receive NFL radio play-by-play broadcasts of the games now that Tune In Premium had dropped the NFL and MLB broadcasts. As far as MLB, there is an iPhone app as well as a website interface. Both are very accessible and the $20 US yearly for the service for both the app and the website is very affordable.

As concerns the NFL play-by-play, the two choices are SiriusXM and the NFL site and app.

I had gotten several conflicting bits of information concerning the availability of NFL play-by-play for the SiriusXM service. Here is the definitive answer. You _MUST_ have a radio to receive NFL, NBA and MLB play-by-play broadcasts. I know this because yesterday, I signed up for the service and found out that the NFL game last night and the NFL listing for play-by-play did not exist on the online streaming service. When I signed up, I specifically asked if these play-by-play services were available. I was told by SiriusXM tech support that they were. When I found out last night that they were not, I called up this morning for a clarification and was definitively told that the services for NFL, NBA and MLB play-by-play were available only to those who owned radios. So that settles that issue once and for all. When I told SiriusXM support of the bad information I got yesterday, they were quite good about it and refunded my first month fees and cancelled my account.

Now for the NFL app. Let me say first off that the app is clumsy. There are a bunch of buttons that show up as unpronounceable for VoiceOver on the iPhone app. Experimentation has shown that the most important unlabeled button is the second from the top on the main screen and the Game Pass screen. This button is the settings button. VoiceOver has an ability to label unlabeled buttons, but that's one feature I haven't mastered at this time. There are a bunch of other unlabeled buttons that I haven't figured out yet.

However, the biggest issue with this app is not so much some of those buttons, but it is the way NFL handles the games. I experimented with this app for two days before the Thursday night game and they had only the remnant of the Super Bowl archives from last February listed under the Game Pass main screen. There is a year/week/day picker in the app which takes a bit of getting used to. When you first open it by double tapping on it, about fifty percent of the time, you get bounced to the status bar and have to navigate back to the picker. But what bothered me most was that the screen for current games stay locked in last February until 8:20 PM last night. At precisely that time, the app switched to the year 2020 and the current year appeared in the year/week/day picker and then and only then could you access the feed for both Houston and Kansas City. Once these feeds are available, you could double tap on the appropriate feed for home and away. The team names are clearly labeled so that is no problem.

What did happen is that for about the first five minutes, the games would not play and the TV feed which is not supposed to be available until immediately after the game has been completed actually played.
Then it disappeared and the radio feeds became available. I assume this was a glitch on the part of the NFL itself and nothing to do specifically with the app. Maybe they'll do a better job on Sunday--having had these issues for the opening game.

As far as the website, each of these year/week/day time pickers is represented by a Tab. You press enter on the appropriate tab and then a drop down menu appears so you can highlight it and press enter again to expose the game/s for that day.

All in all, as clumsy as it is, it is usable and is you don't want to buy a radio, it is the only alternative for now--other than hunting down team network affiliates that may stream the games. Indeed there are a bunch of them that have done that in the past. The site Free Football Radio<http://www.freefootballradio.com> lists the affiliates of all 32 NFL teams and while they don't regularly update this list, many of the entries are valid enough. You can also go the the individual team website where the current list of affiliates is usually listed.

So there you have it: the major alternatives to the now defunct Tune In Premium NFL play-by-play broadcasts. The NFL site and app is a bit pricey at $100 yearly, but I suppose if you have sighted associates or family members, it might be worth it after all.

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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

If you haven't seen the messages from yesterday in the thread, the solution is there, that is, the easiest solution involving changing the NVDA settings for page break in the puncctuation symbols dialog.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

I have been following this thread intermittently hoping that, eventually, all would become clear, but it's getting worse as far as being able to offer guidance from my perspective.

Question one is: What is the source of the material that has the phrase "page break" announced in notepad? Is it a copy and paste of, say, an MS-Word document, PDF, etc.?

Plain text files created as plain text files should not have page break characters in them to begin with, and this strongly suggests that something was converted from some other original format, and clumsily.

The answer probably lies not in doing anything related to the screen reader, but in having the original plain text generated correctly, or using the actual native file format it came from to read it.

There are also methods that can be used to strip a file of any given character or character sequence, but unless the only source is the thing that's giving you the problem that's really a very last resort.

If you're able to share an example of a file that's giving you this problem that would be helpful, too.
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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

you need to tab to the combo box where you set the level at which speech is spoken. While you are on page break in the list, tab until you get there. By default, it is set on none. That means page break will be spoken when punctuation is set to none and all higher levels. If you want it spoken only at the highest level, set the combo box to all. It will still be spoken if you have punctuation set to all. If you don't want it spoken there, you may have to use methods discussed elsewhere in the thread.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 8:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad



I forgot to say, my speech is set to not announce page breaks according to the symbol list but NVDA still does! So is there another place I need to change? Thanks Heather



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From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 8:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad





I may have missed an e-mail from the thread but, which list are you referring to? Are you talking about the list for the audio dictionary from NVDA? Thank you, Heather



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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad





Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060. You can

immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by

and typing page break. Tab once to the list again and you will see page

break as the only entry now shown.



I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.



As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I

almost never play or go after a mouse.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:02 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad



That was a good idea. I'd looked at and played with the settings in that

dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought

they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to

all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level

of the screen-reader is set at none. It shouldn't be spoken unless when

using the all setting. The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it

requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings

repeatedly.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad



Hi all,



Ah, vindacation! I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily

solved. Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us? My

first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.

At least I'd start there.



Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the

menu called symbol something-or-other. It really does help to explore

the menus of your program. Now all you need to do is find the pesky

page-break. If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then

apparently you can add it. I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,

though. I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an

expert may do better at this.



Ann P.





Original message:



Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee
there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in
the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking
the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you
for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this
issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the
latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws
support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might
add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would
see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either
word or notepad. Cheers Heather


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From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad


She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad.
Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the
symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m,
into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried
to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature
to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and
, ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page
breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She
might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol
looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA
from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital
codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find &
replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be
wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page
break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a
page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page
breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another
suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond
to let us know her outcome.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!


----- Original Message -----


From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>


To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>


Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:57 PM


Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad


It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS
doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.


I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm
wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not
the
characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt
she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.


But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.
If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters
whatever is being used.


I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may
be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or
under what circumstances.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad




That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace
or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not
is
to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other
symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.




Paragraph Mark, ^p
Tab Character, ^t
Any Character, ^c
Any Digit, ^g
Any Letter, ^y
Caret Character, ^r
§ Section Character, ^a
¶ Paragraph Character, ^a
Column Break, ^u
Em Dash, ^m
En Dash, ^n
Endnote Mark, ^e
Field, ^d
Footnote Mark, ^f
Graphic, ^i
Manual Line Break, ^l
Manual Page Break, ^k
Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h
Nonbreaking Space, ^s
Optional Hyphen, ^o
Section Break, ^b
White Space, ^w
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad


I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the
document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and
NVDA
didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.


Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one
space.


Gene


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad




Hi Heather,


These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it
goes.


You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all
manual page breaks.


1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.
2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The
caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).
3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want
to
replace the manual page breaks with anything else.
4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the
Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move
to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the
Replace all button and use spacebar.
5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you
can press spacebar on the OK button.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: heather albright
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad




Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the
space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,
Heather






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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad










I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.


This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the


default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I


have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have


other experiences.


First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the


temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the


clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,


such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.


Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the


additional carachter after pasting.


Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and


activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You


have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.






I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I
have


to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol


not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search


and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.






Gene


-----Original Message-----


From: heather albright


Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM


To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>


Subject: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad














Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with


notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please


send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when


reading books. Thank you,






Heather














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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

heather albright
 

I am reading books I get from my bookshare account. So I download the books in brf format as I also use my braille note to read the books too. So I unzip the book and send it to k1000. The downloaded file is a brf format and k1000 converts them to txt files. So I really cant share the file, as that would violate my bookshare agreement. But if anyone has a book share account, you can download the books as a brf file and convert them to txt file format threw k1000. That is all I do to read txt files. I have been reading them with j2018 because it does not announce page breaks and I do not have to do anything accept to tell jaws not to read page breaks. I also use vo off my ipad and it to does not announce page breaks. It just takes more steps to bring the file over from my dropbox and read it with my app of the ipadd. I have been trying to use updated screen readers as some day jaws2018 will not work anymore soon. I still do not know the real reason why jaws2018 does not announce page breaks while every other windows screenreader does even when you have set to not announce them in the preference settings. I have been trying to take all the advice sent to me and it has not completely worked on my end. I even had a friend try too and they could not get the screenreader to stop announcing page breaks when reading txt files.

So I do not know what the code is used to make these files turn from brf to txt from k1000 That makes page breaks be put in them.

Thank you, Heather

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

I have been following this thread intermittently hoping that, eventually, all would become clear, but it's getting worse as far as being able to offer guidance from my perspective.

Question one is:  What is the source of the material that has the phrase "page break" announced in notepad?   Is it a copy and paste of, say, an MS-Word document, PDF, etc.?

Plain text files created as plain text files should not have page break characters in them to begin with, and this strongly suggests that something was converted from some other original format, and clumsily.

The answer probably lies not in doing anything related to the screen reader, but in having the original plain text generated correctly, or using the actual native file format it came from to read it.

There are also methods that can be used to strip a file of any given character or character sequence, but unless the only source is the thing that's giving you the problem that's really a very last resort.

If you're able to share an example of a file that's giving you this problem that would be helpful, too.
--

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

 


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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

I have been following this thread intermittently hoping that, eventually, all would become clear, but it's getting worse as far as being able to offer guidance from my perspective.

Question one is:  What is the source of the material that has the phrase "page break" announced in notepad?   Is it a copy and paste of, say, an MS-Word document, PDF, etc.?

Plain text files created as plain text files should not have page break characters in them to begin with, and this strongly suggests that something was converted from some other original format, and clumsily.

The answer probably lies not in doing anything related to the screen reader, but in having the original plain text generated correctly, or using the actual native file format it came from to read it.

There are also methods that can be used to strip a file of any given character or character sequence, but unless the only source is the thing that's giving you the problem that's really a very last resort.

If you're able to share an example of a file that's giving you this problem that would be helpful, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

heather albright
 

I forgot to say, my speech is set to not announce page breaks  according to the symbol list but NVDA still does! So is there another place I need to change? Thanks Heather  

 

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From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 8:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

I may have missed an e-mail from the thread but, which list are you referring to? Are you talking about the list for the audio dictionary from NVDA? Thank you, Heather  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060.  You can

immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by

and typing page break.  Tab once to the list again and you will see page

break as the only entry now shown.

 

I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.

 

As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I

almost never play or go after a mouse.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:02 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

That was a good idea.  I'd looked at and played with the settings in that

dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought

they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to

all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level

of the screen-reader is set at none.  It shouldn't be spoken unless when

using the all setting.  The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it

requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings

repeatedly.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

Hi all,

 

Ah, vindacation!  I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily

solved.  Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us?   My

first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.

At least I'd start there.

 

Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the

menu called symbol something-or-other.  It really does help to explore

the menus of your program.  Now all you need to do is find the pesky

page-break.  If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then

apparently you can add it.  I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,

though.  I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an

expert may do better at this.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Original message:

 

> Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee

> there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in

> the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking

> the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you

> for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this

> issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the

> latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws

> support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might

> add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would

> see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either

> word or notepad. Cheers Heather

 

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

 

> From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

> She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad.

> Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the

> symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m,

> into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried

> to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature

> to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and

> , ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page

> breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She

> might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol

> looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA

> from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital

> codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find &

> replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be

> wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page

> break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a

> page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page

> breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another

> suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond

> to let us know her outcome.

 

> Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

 

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

 

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:57 PM

 

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

> It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS

> doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.

 

> I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm

> wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not

> the

> characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt

> she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.

 

> But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.

> If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters

> whatever is being used.

 

> I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may

> be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or

> under what circumstances.

 

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike B

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:31 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

> That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace

> or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not

> is

> to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other

> symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.

 

 

> Paragraph Mark, ^p

> Tab Character, ^t

> Any Character, ^c

> Any Digit, ^g

> Any Letter, ^y

> Caret Character, ^r

> § Section Character, ^a

> ¶ Paragraph Character, ^a

> Column Break, ^u

> Em Dash, ^m

> En Dash, ^n

> Endnote Mark, ^e

> Field, ^d

> Footnote Mark, ^f

> Graphic, ^i

> Manual Line Break, ^l

> Manual Page Break, ^k

> Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h

> Nonbreaking Space, ^s

> Optional Hyphen, ^o

> Section Break, ^b

> White Space, ^w

> Take care.

> Mike

> Global warming? Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

 

 

> Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Gene

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:55 PM

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

> I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the

> document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and

> NVDA

> didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.

 

> Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one

> space.

 

> Gene

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike B

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:46 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

> Hi Heather,

 

> These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it

> goes.

 

> You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all

> manual page breaks.

 

> 1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.

> 2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The

> caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).

> 3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want

> to

> replace the manual page breaks with anything else.

> 4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the

> Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move

> to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the

> Replace all button and use spacebar.

> 5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you

> can press spacebar on the OK button.

 

> Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: heather albright

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:14 AM

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

> Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the

> space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,

> Heather

 

 

 

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

> From: Gene

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:52 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

 

 

 

> I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.

 

> This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the

 

> default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I

 

> have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have

 

> other experiences.

 

> First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the

 

> temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the

 

> clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,

 

> such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.

 

> Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the

 

> additional carachter after pasting.

 

> Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and

 

> activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You

 

> have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.

 

 

 

> I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I

> have

 

> to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol

 

> not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search

 

> and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.

 

 

 

> Gene

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: heather albright

 

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM

 

> To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>

 

> Subject: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with

 

> notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please

 

> send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when

 

> reading books. Thank you,

 

 

 

> Heather

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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EMAIL:  akp@...

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Not all those who wander are lost."

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

heather albright
 

I may have missed an e-mail from the thread but, which list are you referring to? Are you talking about the list for the audio dictionary from NVDA? Thank you, Heather  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060.  You can

immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by

and typing page break.  Tab once to the list again and you will see page

break as the only entry now shown.

 

I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.

 

As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I

almost never play or go after a mouse.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:02 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

That was a good idea.  I'd looked at and played with the settings in that

dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought

they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to

all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level

of the screen-reader is set at none.  It shouldn't be spoken unless when

using the all setting.  The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it

requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings

repeatedly.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Ann Parsons

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

Hi all,

 

Ah, vindacation!  I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily

solved.  Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us?   My

first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.

At least I'd start there.

 

Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the

menu called symbol something-or-other.  It really does help to explore

the menus of your program.  Now all you need to do is find the pesky

page-break.  If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then

apparently you can add it.  I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,

though.  I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an

expert may do better at this.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Original message:

 

> Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee

> there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in

> the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking

> the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you

> for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this

> issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the

> latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws

> support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might

> add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would

> see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either

> word or notepad. Cheers Heather

 

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

 

> From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

> She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad.

> Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the

> symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m,

> into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried

> to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature

> to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and

> , ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page

> breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She

> might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol

> looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA

> from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital

> codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find &

> replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be

> wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page

> break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a

> page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page

> breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another

> suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond

> to let us know her outcome.

 

> Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

 

> ----- Original Message -----

 

> From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

 

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

 

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:57 PM

 

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

> It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS

> doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.

 

> I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm

> wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not

> the

> characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt

> she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.

 

> But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.

> If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters

> whatever is being used.

 

> I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may

> be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or

> under what circumstances.

 

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike B

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:31 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

> That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace

> or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not

> is

> to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other

> symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.

 

 

> Paragraph Mark, ^p

> Tab Character, ^t

> Any Character, ^c

> Any Digit, ^g

> Any Letter, ^y

> Caret Character, ^r

> § Section Character, ^a

> ¶ Paragraph Character, ^a

> Column Break, ^u

> Em Dash, ^m

> En Dash, ^n

> Endnote Mark, ^e

> Field, ^d

> Footnote Mark, ^f

> Graphic, ^i

> Manual Line Break, ^l

> Manual Page Break, ^k

> Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h

> Nonbreaking Space, ^s

> Optional Hyphen, ^o

> Section Break, ^b

> White Space, ^w

> Take care.

> Mike

> Global warming? Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

 

 

> Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Gene

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:55 PM

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

> I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the

> document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and

> NVDA

> didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.

 

> Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one

> space.

 

> Gene

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike B

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:46 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

> Hi Heather,

 

> These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it

> goes.

 

> You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all

> manual page breaks.

 

> 1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.

> 2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The

> caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).

> 3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want

> to

> replace the manual page breaks with anything else.

> 4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the

> Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move

> to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the

> Replace all button and use spacebar.

> 5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you

> can press spacebar on the OK button.

 

> Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: heather albright

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:14 AM

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

> Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the

> space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,

> Heather

 

 

 

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

> From: Gene

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:52 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

 

 

 

> I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.

 

> This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the

 

> default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I

 

> have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have

 

> other experiences.

 

> First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the

 

> temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the

 

> clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,

 

> such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.

 

> Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the

 

> additional carachter after pasting.

 

> Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and

 

> activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You

 

> have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.

 

 

 

> I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I

> have

 

> to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol

 

> not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search

 

> and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.

 

 

 

> Gene

 

> -----Original Message-----

 

> From: heather albright

 

> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM

 

> To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>

 

> Subject: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with

 

> notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please

 

> send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when

 

> reading books. Thank you,

 

 

 

> Heather

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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EMAIL:  akp@...

Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/

Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info

Skype: Putertutor

 

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Not all those who wander are lost."

 

 

 

 

 


Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

<smiling> No, you aren't a kitty, it was the task you were attempting.

Ann P.

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Not all those who wander are lost."


Emoticons and emoji, was, Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

I'm not sure I punctuated it properly but I changed the subject line as the subject has changed.

Here is information about an NVDA add-on regaarding emoticons and emoji that may be of interest to some.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/emoticons.en.html

Here is a discussion about emoji and emoticons that also may be of interest. While the discussion is somewhat about NVDA, the discussion of the Windows 10 emoji panel applies to all screen-reader users.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

I just tried something interesting. The list has an enormous number of
emoticons if that word covers them all. I wanted to see if I could copy one
to the clipboard and paste it into a message. I can.


I used the NVDA copy and paste commands for working where there is no
cursor. I moved to a symbol, used NVDA key f9 once to set the start marker,
then NVDA key f10 holding the NVDA key and pressing f10 quickly to copy the
emoticon to the clip board. Then I pasted it into a message. I haven't
checked to see if NVDA offers another way to do this, I've never been
interested in using emoticons, but this message may be of use to those who
are.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060. You can
immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by
and typing page break. Tab once to the list again and you will see page
break as the only entry now shown.

I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.

As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I
almost never play or go after a mouse.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

That was a good idea. I'd looked at and played with the settings in that
dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought
they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to
all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level
of the screen-reader is set at none. It shouldn't be spoken unless when
using the all setting. The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it
requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings
repeatedly.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Hi all,

Ah, vindacation! I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily
solved. Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us? My
first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.
At least I'd start there.

Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the
menu called symbol something-or-other. It really does help to explore
the menus of your program. Now all you need to do is find the pesky
page-break. If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then
apparently you can add it. I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,
though. I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an
expert may do better at this.

Ann P.


Original message:

Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either word or notepad. Cheers Heather
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad. Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m, into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and , ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find & replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond to let us know her outcome.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS
doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.
I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm
wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not the
characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt
she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.
But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.
If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters
whatever is being used.
I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may
be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or
under what circumstances.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace
or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not is
to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other
symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.

Paragraph Mark, ^p
Tab Character, ^t
Any Character, ^c
Any Digit, ^g
Any Letter, ^y
Caret Character, ^r
§ Section Character, ^a
¶ Paragraph Character, ^a
Column Break, ^u
Em Dash, ^m
En Dash, ^n
Endnote Mark, ^e
Field, ^d
Footnote Mark, ^f
Graphic, ^i
Manual Line Break, ^l
Manual Page Break, ^k
Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h
Nonbreaking Space, ^s
Optional Hyphen, ^o
Section Break, ^b
White Space, ^w
Take care.
Mike
Global warming? Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the
document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and NVDA
didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.
Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one space.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Hi Heather,
These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it goes.
You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all
manual page breaks.
1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.
2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The
caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).
3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want to
replace the manual page breaks with anything else.
4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the
Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move
to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the
Replace all button and use spacebar.
5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you
can press spacebar on the OK button.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: heather albright
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the
space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,
Heather


Sent from Mail for Windows 10




From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad




I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.
This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the
default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I
have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have
other experiences.
First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the
temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the
clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,
such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.
Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the
additional carachter after pasting.
Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and
activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You
have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.


I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I have
to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol
not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search
and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad






Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with
notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please
send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when
reading books. Thank you,


Heather






Sent from Mail for Windows 10




























--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

I just tried something interesting. The list has an enormous number of emoticons if that word covers them all. I wanted to see if I could copy one to the clipboard and paste it into a message. I can.


I used the NVDA copy and paste commands for working where there is no cursor. I moved to a symbol, used NVDA key f9 once to set the start marker, then NVDA key f10 holding the NVDA key and pressing f10 quickly to copy the emoticon to the clip board. Then I pasted it into a message. I haven't checked to see if NVDA offers another way to do this, I've never been interested in using emoticons, but this message may be of use to those who are.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060. You can
immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by
and typing page break. Tab once to the list again and you will see page
break as the only entry now shown.

I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.

As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I
almost never play or go after a mouse.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

That was a good idea. I'd looked at and played with the settings in that
dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought
they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to
all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level
of the screen-reader is set at none. It shouldn't be spoken unless when
using the all setting. The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it
requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings
repeatedly.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Hi all,

Ah, vindacation! I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily
solved. Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us? My
first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.
At least I'd start there.

Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the
menu called symbol something-or-other. It really does help to explore
the menus of your program. Now all you need to do is find the pesky
page-break. If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then
apparently you can add it. I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,
though. I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an
expert may do better at this.

Ann P.


Original message:

Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either word or notepad. Cheers Heather
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad. Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m, into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and , ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find & replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond to let us know her outcome.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS
doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.
I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm
wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not the
characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt
she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.
But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.
If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters
whatever is being used.
I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may
be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or
under what circumstances.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace
or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not is
to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other
symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.

Paragraph Mark, ^p
Tab Character, ^t
Any Character, ^c
Any Digit, ^g
Any Letter, ^y
Caret Character, ^r
§ Section Character, ^a
¶ Paragraph Character, ^a
Column Break, ^u
Em Dash, ^m
En Dash, ^n
Endnote Mark, ^e
Field, ^d
Footnote Mark, ^f
Graphic, ^i
Manual Line Break, ^l
Manual Page Break, ^k
Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h
Nonbreaking Space, ^s
Optional Hyphen, ^o
Section Break, ^b
White Space, ^w
Take care.
Mike
Global warming? Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the
document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and NVDA
didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.
Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one space.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Hi Heather,
These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it goes.
You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all
manual page breaks.
1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.
2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The
caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).
3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want to
replace the manual page breaks with anything else.
4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the
Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move
to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the
Replace all button and use spacebar.
5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you
can press spacebar on the OK button.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: heather albright
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the
space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,
Heather


Sent from Mail for Windows 10




From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad




I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.
This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the
default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I
have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have
other experiences.
First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the
temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the
clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,
such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.
Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the
additional carachter after pasting.
Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and
activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You
have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.


I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I have
to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol
not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search
and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad






Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with
notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please
send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when
reading books. Thank you,


Heather






Sent from Mail for Windows 10




























--
Ann K. Parsons
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Re: how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Gene
 

Also, there are an enormous number of symbols in the list, 33060. You can immediately find page break by shift tabbing once in the dialog to filter by and typing page break. Tab once to the list again and you will see page break as the only entry now shown.

I don't think I've ever seen a list that is nearly so enormous.

As for the kitty comments, I will respond by saying that if I'm a kitty, I almost never play or go after a mouse.

Gene

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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 7:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

That was a good idea. I'd looked at and played with the settings in that
dialog a little before, but I hadn't looked at them in detail and I thought
they were limited to punctuation. I tried raising the setting from none to
all and page break is no longer spoken when the punctuation speaking level
of the screen-reader is set at none. It shouldn't be spoken unless when
using the all setting. The problem is now solved in the easiest way and it
requires no altering of documents nor changing of speech settings
repeatedly.

Gene
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From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Hi all,

Ah, vindacation! I believe this is an NVDA command and can be easily
solved. Maybe Joseph Lee or Quentin Whosits can enlighten us? My
first thought is to go into the menu and look in audio preferences.
At least I'd start there.

Hmmm, interesting, there's a whole list of symbols under an item in the
menu called symbol something-or-other. It really does help to explore
the menus of your program. Now all you need to do is find the pesky
page-break. If it isn't in the list, which is quite extensive, then
apparently you can add it. I'd seek info on the NVDA list first,
though. I'm about halfway there to fixing the problem, but think an
expert may do better at this.

Ann P.


Original message:

Yes, I do not want the screen reader to announce page breaks. They can bee there but, I just do not want to hear page break for every page break in the text. Very annoying when one reads a book or text. I have not taking the steps very busy today, so never got around to trying it out. Thank you for the info. I never understood why some screen readers do not have this issue most notedly j2018 and VO of my phone or ipad. While others like the latest jaws and narrator cant get rid of them when reading text. And jaws support is to lame to fix it evem when I tried their steps which, I might add, the folks who gave them to me, have not tried them cause they would see these steps are not stopping jaws from saying page break with either word or notepad. Cheers Heather
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From: Mike B <mailto:mb69mach1@...>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
She said that she wants to stop NVDA from reading page breaks in Notepad. Well, the steps I provided will remove the page breaks and the, ^m, is the symbol that is used in the find & replace feature to do this. You put, ^m, into the Find field..., now follow the steps I posted earlier. As I tried to explain the ^m, is a Windows thing used by the find & replace feature to remove page breaks just like, ^p, is used to remove paragraph marks and , ^t, is used to remove tabs. All I'm suggesting is to remove the page breaks not modify a dictionary file to stop NVDA from announcing them. She might not want to remove them, but I don't know what the page break symbol looks like, just like yourself, to modify the NVDA dictionary to keep NVDA from announcing it. I also couldn't find either the ASCII or ANSI digital codes to create a page break manually to place either in the find & replace dialogue or the dictionary so NVDA wouldn't announce it. I may be wrong, but I think you're wanting to suppress the announcement of the page break where I'm suggesting the removal of the page break so there isn't a page break to be announced. I don't know if she wants to remove the page breaks or not and I don't know enough about NVDA to offer another suggestion than the removal of the page breaks. Hopefully she'll respond to let us know her outcome.
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From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
It appears the person who asked the original question is using NVDA. JAWS
doesn't announce the page break carachter when it encounters it.
I assume, and it’s a good assumption, but the person may correct me if I'm
wrong, that the person is hearing the words page break being spoken, not the
characters you are citing. She asks how to remove page breaks and I doubt
she would say that if she heard the code spoken as carret m.
But the carachter being discussed isn't the carachter you are discussing.
If it were, NVDA would say page break just as it does when it encounters
whatever is being used.
I don't know what the carachter is. The carachter you are referencing may
be used as a page break character but I don't know which programs do so or
under what circumstances.
Gene
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From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

That's what it's supposed to say. The, ^m, is what Windows uses to replace
or remove the page break symbol. The only way to know if it works or not is
to use the steps in a file that has page breaks in it. Here are other
symbols that are used in the Find & Replace feature.

Paragraph Mark, ^p
Tab Character, ^t
Any Character, ^c
Any Digit, ^g
Any Letter, ^y
Caret Character, ^r
§ Section Character, ^a
¶ Paragraph Character, ^a
Column Break, ^u
Em Dash, ^m
En Dash, ^n
Endnote Mark, ^e
Field, ^d
Footnote Mark, ^f
Graphic, ^i
Manual Line Break, ^l
Manual Page Break, ^k
Nonbreaking Hyphen, ^h
Nonbreaking Space, ^s
Optional Hyphen, ^o
Section Break, ^b
White Space, ^w
Take care.
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad
I doubt that is the same symbol as whatever put the page breaks into the
document uses. I tried placing the symbol in a document in Notepad and NVDA
didn't say page break when it read the symbol. It said carret m.
Also, when I work with the symbol, as far as I can tell, it takes one space.
Gene
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From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Hi Heather,
These are steps for Word, but give them a try in Notepad to see how it goes.
You might consider using the "Find and Replace" dialog box to remove all
manual page breaks.
1. Use CTRL+H to move focus into the Replace page of the dialog box.
2. In the Find What edit box type a caret followed by a small m. (The
caret is a shift on the number 6 and be sure not to capitalize the m).
3. Tab to the replace edit box but just leave it blank if you don't want to
replace the manual page breaks with anything else.
4. If you want to keep any of the manual page breaks then tab to the
Replace button and use spacebar. You can then use the Next button to move
to the manual page breaks and remove one at a time. Otherwise, tab to the
Replace all button and use spacebar.
5. Word will let you know how many manual page breaks it removed and you
can press spacebar on the OK button.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
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From: heather albright
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad

Thank you, I do not have a symbol before the page break, unless, it is the
space before the page break. Is that what your talking about? Thank you,
Heather


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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad




I'm not sure how it might be done other than the method I'll present here.
This is a symbol and for some reason, I find that I can't add it to the
default speech dictionary or the voice dictionary and have it honored. I
have to place it in the temporary dicgtionary. Perhaps others will have
other experiences.
First, you have to get the symbol in a syntax that it can be pasted to the
temporary dictionary. I've tried just selecting it and copying it to the
clipboard. It doesn't work. You have to select something right next to it,
such as a space and select the symbol and copy both to the clipboard.
Then, when you paste what you copied into the pattern field, remove the
additional carachter after pasting.
Then tab once to the pronounced as field and type a space. Tab to and
activate the ok button, then tab to and activate the next ok button. You
have solved the problem for this session of NVDA.


I wish I knew a permanent solution but at least when I've tried this, I have
to go through this procedure every time I run NVDA that I want the symbol
not to be spoken. You may be able to remove the page breaks using search
and replace but I haven't played with that to any extent.


Gene
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From: heather albright
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:39 PM
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Subject: [TechTalk] how to get rid of page breaks in note pad






Hello, I wante to get rid of my NVDA from announcing page breaks with
notepad. So what is the best way, if anyone knows how to do this, please
send the sequence commands. I do not like page breaks to be announced when
reading books. Thank you,


Heather






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