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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

chris judge
 

If this thing does even a quarter of what it claims to do, it would sell for much more than $750.

Sorry but I smell a scam here. If I’m proven wrong I’ll  capitulate. I don’t mind admitting when I’m mistaken, but my instinct tells me there’s something not right here. I can’t recall ever hearing of anyone pre-ordering a device that is basically unknown.

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marco Curralejo
Sent: May 6, 2021 5:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

The reason why you thankfully didn’t get robbed is because your lucky, not because you are blind.

 

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous and you keep putting up points which are just not really that plausible, in my opinion.

 

I’m not wasting my time on this thread any longer.

 

Thanks,

 

Marco

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 6:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

A competent cane user knows how to swing a cane.  That is one of the first things he/she is taught and a good instructor emphasizes correct technique.  It becomes pretty much automatic, varied at times if necessary. 

 

There have been devices for decades that alert blind people to obstacles above the level a cane covers.  I haven’t looked into them so I don’t know if this device does any better.  While I would like such coverage, I have had so little problem with such higher obstacles that I haven’t pursued the option.  But I have no objedction to such a device.  I objectt to trying to replace the cane and to trying to make you not look blind.  Also, I didn’t mention that automobile drivers may be more careful if they see a cane or a dog.  I would feel safer crossing a street identified as a blind person.

 

Also, I might be safer.  Mhy brother tells the story about one evening when my brothers’ family and I were out to dinner.  Some gang members looked as though they might come over to rob us.  When they saw my cane, the head of the group signaled not to do so.  So I may be safer from crime if people know I’m blind. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:55 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree.

 

A cane will only cover you from your belly button down and you’d better hope that you are swinging the right way, otherwise it doesn’t even do that.

 

If we have no innovation, this means that we are happy to just continue as we have done with an aid which has been around for over 100 years.

 

Imagine if we took the same approach with all other innovations in society, no phones, no new treatments, no advancements in any technology, no cars, no eftpos or other similar machines. For the sake of your argument, let’s remove anything that has been innovative since the cane has been a part of our lives and go back to the way it all was before that, because having some forward thinking and innovation doesn’t matter to you.

 

As I said before, do I think that this will replace the cane? No. What I’m saying is that we need to move forward from what we currently have and not just thumb our noses at a company that is trying to move things forward in a different way.

 

Finally, I go through at least 3 or 4 canes per year, so $250 is quite reasonable for my opinion. Should those who pay over $5000 for a braille display or other products not do so because of cost? Your argument on cost is ridiculous, in my opinion. Perhaps your one of these individuals that goes through a cane every five years. Who knows.

 

Marco

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

And I just thought of another reason that this device is a bad idea.  It is safer to be seen and known to be a blind person.  Perhaps you will get assistance more easily when you want it such as when crossing a street with turning arrows and a lot of high speed traffic.  [Perhaps you will have an easier time getting directions.  When I walk into a store, if service people see the cane, they will offer help.  How will they know I am blind as easily and as quickly if it isn’t made clear by a cane or a dog?  If you don’t have a cane, people won’t know you are blind.  This strikes me as an attempt to hide a person’s blindness.  I don’t want to hide it.  I am what I am and it shouldn’t be hidden.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 

 

You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 

 

I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  

 

As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 

 

And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 

 

As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.

 

Gene,

 

People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.

 

Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.

 

Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.

 

Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?

 

Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?

 

Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.

 

Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.

 

Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?

 

Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.

 

So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.

 

Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.

 

So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.

 

I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.

 

And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.

 

I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 

 

Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.

 

Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.

 

As G.K. Chesterton said:

“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 

 

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anchor podcast question

Keith S
 

Hi, when I download podcasts on my humanware VR stream, some of the  podcasts were created with the anchor podcast creation website, and these podcasts do not allow  the listener to fast forward or skip or even jump to a time or percentage of the podcast.  This gets frustrating when  I have to stop listening to a podcast if I need to ake a phone call, if I decide to go to sleep, or if someone is trying to talk to me.
 
Is there any way to convert or strip the inhibiting features to allow me to skip or fast foward to a certain point in the podcast as with other podcasts or .mp3 files?
 
 
I have resorted to not listening to podcasts using the anchor website for production which means I have missed out on many good sounding podcasts but that is my choice I know, but I would think that a podcast production would consider not using such production methods considering stopping the podcast playing means you have to restart listening at the beginning, but on the other hand I know  that this feature prevents listeners from fast forwarding through advertisements or ads.
 
Any suggestions or am I just stuck having to either forgoe these podcast  podcasts or bite down on the bullet and listen to all the fillers on the podcasts?
 
Thanks
 
Keith
 


Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Gene
 

I just went to the web site. 
I had thought the product cost 250 dollars.  Guess what?  It costs 750 dollars.  750 dollars to replace a 35 dollar cane? 
 
Here is what the web site says:
Usually, STRAP sells for $750. But for those who order today, it is $500.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 
The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 
 
You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 
 
I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  
 
As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 
 
And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 
 
As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 
This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.
 
Gene,
 
People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.
 
Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.
 
Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.
 
Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?
 
Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?
 
Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.
 
Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.
 
Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?
 
Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.
 
So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.
 
Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.
 
So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.
 
I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.
 
And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.
 
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.
 
I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 
 
Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.
 
Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.
 
As G.K. Chesterton said:
“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 
 
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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Marco Curralejo
 

The reason why you thankfully didn’t get robbed is because your lucky, not because you are blind.

 

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous and you keep putting up points which are just not really that plausible, in my opinion.

 

I’m not wasting my time on this thread any longer.

 

Thanks,

 

Marco

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 6:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

A competent cane user knows how to swing a cane.  That is one of the first things he/she is taught and a good instructor emphasizes correct technique.  It becomes pretty much automatic, varied at times if necessary. 

 

There have been devices for decades that alert blind people to obstacles above the level a cane covers.  I haven’t looked into them so I don’t know if this device does any better.  While I would like such coverage, I have had so little problem with such higher obstacles that I haven’t pursued the option.  But I have no objedction to such a device.  I objectt to trying to replace the cane and to trying to make you not look blind.  Also, I didn’t mention that automobile drivers may be more careful if they see a cane or a dog.  I would feel safer crossing a street identified as a blind person.

 

Also, I might be safer.  Mhy brother tells the story about one evening when my brothers’ family and I were out to dinner.  Some gang members looked as though they might come over to rob us.  When they saw my cane, the head of the group signaled not to do so.  So I may be safer from crime if people know I’m blind. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:55 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree.

 

A cane will only cover you from your belly button down and you’d better hope that you are swinging the right way, otherwise it doesn’t even do that.

 

If we have no innovation, this means that we are happy to just continue as we have done with an aid which has been around for over 100 years.

 

Imagine if we took the same approach with all other innovations in society, no phones, no new treatments, no advancements in any technology, no cars, no eftpos or other similar machines. For the sake of your argument, let’s remove anything that has been innovative since the cane has been a part of our lives and go back to the way it all was before that, because having some forward thinking and innovation doesn’t matter to you.

 

As I said before, do I think that this will replace the cane? No. What I’m saying is that we need to move forward from what we currently have and not just thumb our noses at a company that is trying to move things forward in a different way.

 

Finally, I go through at least 3 or 4 canes per year, so $250 is quite reasonable for my opinion. Should those who pay over $5000 for a braille display or other products not do so because of cost? Your argument on cost is ridiculous, in my opinion. Perhaps your one of these individuals that goes through a cane every five years. Who knows.

 

Marco

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

And I just thought of another reason that this device is a bad idea.  It is safer to be seen and known to be a blind person.  Perhaps you will get assistance more easily when you want it such as when crossing a street with turning arrows and a lot of high speed traffic.  [Perhaps you will have an easier time getting directions.  When I walk into a store, if service people see the cane, they will offer help.  How will they know I am blind as easily and as quickly if it isn’t made clear by a cane or a dog?  If you don’t have a cane, people won’t know you are blind.  This strikes me as an attempt to hide a person’s blindness.  I don’t want to hide it.  I am what I am and it shouldn’t be hidden.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 

 

You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 

 

I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  

 

As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 

 

And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 

 

As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.

 

Gene,

 

People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.

 

Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.

 

Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.

 

Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?

 

Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?

 

Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.

 

Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.

 

Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?

 

Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.

 

So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.

 

Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.

 

So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.

 

I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.

 

And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.

 

I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 

 

Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.

 

Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.

 

As G.K. Chesterton said:

“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 

 

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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Gene
 

A competent cane user knows how to swing a cane.  That is one of the first things he/she is taught and a good instructor emphasizes correct technique.  It becomes pretty much automatic, varied at times if necessary. 
 
There have been devices for decades that alert blind people to obstacles above the level a cane covers.  I haven’t looked into them so I don’t know if this device does any better.  While I would like such coverage, I have had so little problem with such higher obstacles that I haven’t pursued the option.  But I have no objedction to such a device.  I objectt to trying to replace the cane and to trying to make you not look blind.  Also, I didn’t mention that automobile drivers may be more careful if they see a cane or a dog.  I would feel safer crossing a street identified as a blind person.
 
Also, I might be safer.  Mhy brother tells the story about one evening when my brothers’ family and I were out to dinner.  Some gang members looked as though they might come over to rob us.  When they saw my cane, the head of the group signaled not to do so.  So I may be safer from crime if people know I’m blind. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree.

 

A cane will only cover you from your belly button down and you’d better hope that you are swinging the right way, otherwise it doesn’t even do that.

 

If we have no innovation, this means that we are happy to just continue as we have done with an aid which has been around for over 100 years.

 

Imagine if we took the same approach with all other innovations in society, no phones, no new treatments, no advancements in any technology, no cars, no eftpos or other similar machines. For the sake of your argument, let’s remove anything that has been innovative since the cane has been a part of our lives and go back to the way it all was before that, because having some forward thinking and innovation doesn’t matter to you.

 

As I said before, do I think that this will replace the cane? No. What I’m saying is that we need to move forward from what we currently have and not just thumb our noses at a company that is trying to move things forward in a different way.

 

Finally, I go through at least 3 or 4 canes per year, so $250 is quite reasonable for my opinion. Should those who pay over $5000 for a braille display or other products not do so because of cost? Your argument on cost is ridiculous, in my opinion. Perhaps your one of these individuals that goes through a cane every five years. Who knows.

 

Marco

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

And I just thought of another reason that this device is a bad idea.  It is safer to be seen and known to be a blind person.  Perhaps you will get assistance more easily when you want it such as when crossing a street with turning arrows and a lot of high speed traffic.  [Perhaps you will have an easier time getting directions.  When I walk into a store, if service people see the cane, they will offer help.  How will they know I am blind as easily and as quickly if it isn’t made clear by a cane or a dog?  If you don’t have a cane, people won’t know you are blind.  This strikes me as an attempt to hide a person’s blindness.  I don’t want to hide it.  I am what I am and it shouldn’t be hidden.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 

 

You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 

 

I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  

 

As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 

 

And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 

 

As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Nimer Jaber

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.

 

Gene,

 

People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.

 

Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.

 

Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.

 

Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?

 

Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?

 

Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.

 

Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.

 

Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?

 

Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.

 

So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.

 

Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.

 

So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.

 

I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.

 

And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.

 

I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 

 

Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.

 

Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.

 

As G.K. Chesterton said:

“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 

 

--

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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Marco Curralejo
 

I’m sorry, but I completely disagree.

 

A cane will only cover you from your belly button down and you’d better hope that you are swinging the right way, otherwise it doesn’t even do that.

 

If we have no innovation, this means that we are happy to just continue as we have done with an aid which has been around for over 100 years.

 

Imagine if we took the same approach with all other innovations in society, no phones, no new treatments, no advancements in any technology, no cars, no eftpos or other similar machines. For the sake of your argument, let’s remove anything that has been innovative since the cane has been a part of our lives and go back to the way it all was before that, because having some forward thinking and innovation doesn’t matter to you.

 

As I said before, do I think that this will replace the cane? No. What I’m saying is that we need to move forward from what we currently have and not just thumb our noses at a company that is trying to move things forward in a different way.

 

Finally, I go through at least 3 or 4 canes per year, so $250 is quite reasonable for my opinion. Should those who pay over $5000 for a braille display or other products not do so because of cost? Your argument on cost is ridiculous, in my opinion. Perhaps your one of these individuals that goes through a cane every five years. Who knows.

 

Marco

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 5:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

And I just thought of another reason that this device is a bad idea.  It is safer to be seen and known to be a blind person.  Perhaps you will get assistance more easily when you want it such as when crossing a street with turning arrows and a lot of high speed traffic.  [Perhaps you will have an easier time getting directions.  When I walk into a store, if service people see the cane, they will offer help.  How will they know I am blind as easily and as quickly if it isn’t made clear by a cane or a dog?  If you don’t have a cane, people won’t know you are blind.  This strikes me as an attempt to hide a person’s blindness.  I don’t want to hide it.  I am what I am and it shouldn’t be hidden.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 

 

You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 

 

I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  

 

As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 

 

And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 

 

As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.

 

Gene,

 

People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.

 

Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.

 

Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.

 

Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?

 

Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?

 

Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.

 

Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.

 

Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?

 

Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.

 

So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.

 

Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.

 

So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.

 

I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.

 

And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.

 

I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 

 

Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.

 

Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.

 

As G.K. Chesterton said:

“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Gene
 

And I just thought of another reason that this device is a bad idea.  It is safer to be seen and known to be a blind person.  Perhaps you will get assistance more easily when you want it such as when crossing a street with turning arrows and a lot of high speed traffic.  [Perhaps you will have an easier time getting directions.  When I walk into a store, if service people see the cane, they will offer help.  How will they know I am blind as easily and as quickly if it isn’t made clear by a cane or a dog?  If you don’t have a cane, people won’t know you are blind.  This strikes me as an attempt to hide a person’s blindness.  I don’t want to hide it.  I am what I am and it shouldn’t be hidden.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 
The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 
 
You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 
 
I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  
 
As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 
 
And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 
 
As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 
This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.
 
Gene,
 
People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.
 
Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.
 
Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.
 
Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?
 
Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?
 
Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.
 
Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.
 
Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?
 
Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.
 
So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.
 
Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.
 
So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.
 
I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.
 
And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.
 
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.
 
I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 
 
Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.
 
Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.
 
As G.K. Chesterton said:
“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 
 
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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Gene
 

The car and horse analogy doesn’t apply.  The advantages are obvious of a car.  What advantage does the cane replacement company offer?  Only one, that you can travel hands free.  I don’t consider that worht spending 250 dollars for. 
 
You yourself say that a dog gives you less information about your environment.  People may be satisfied with that and that’s their choice but I really doubt that you are going to find many competent cane users who will substitute a 250 dollar device for a thirty-five dollar device when the 35 dollar device gives them more information.  and people who use a dog may have reasons they are willing to accept less information.  There are reasons people prefer dogs.  But this is not a discussion about replacing dogs with this device.  The device is offered as a replacement for the cane.  I doubt many competent cane users will pay 250 dollars for a device that probably gives them less information. 
 
I have no trouble carrying what I want to carry with one hand using a cane.  I use larger bags.  Others may prefer a back pack.  
 
As far as things like the cane breaking or a tip falling off, I’ve been traveling with canes for about fifty years and such things have almost never happened.  And you have no basis to assume that this device will be as reliable.  What if you forget to charge it.  Is the battery user replaceable?  If not, how much will it cost to replace it? 
 
And any prudent blind person who doesn’t use a dog should be a skilled cane user anyway so that in case of trouble with the device, he/she can switch to a low tech device that works very well while the problem is corrected.  I have an emergency cane.  Having two canes costs me perhaps sixty dollars.  People aren’t going to have two of these devices when they cost 250 dollars. 
 
As I said, I don’t object to a device that informs me about obstacles above the lefvel of the cane.  I do object to the attitude that the cane should be replaced and likely by something inferior. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 
This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.
 
Gene,
 
People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.
 
Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.
 
Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.
 
Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?
 
Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?
 
Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.
 
Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.
 
Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?
 
Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.
 
So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.
 
Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.
 
So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.
 
I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.
 
And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.
 
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.
 
I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 
 
Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.
 
Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.
 
As G.K. Chesterton said:
“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 

 
 
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Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Nimer Jaber
 

This post is my opinion, and is not affiliated with Strap or any other entity. All opinions in this message are my own.

Gene,

People said the same thing that you're saying about horses, too. And yet, we are now driving cars.

Guide dogs already take away much of what the cane gives you, and dog users are quite content being dog users. With a dog, blind people go around obstacles, they don't interact with every obstacle in their path.

Does it count when a blind person disparages the cane and says that we need more innovation in the space to get rid of the bloody thing? Because I am one of those blind people.

Does it count that I want to be able to travel unencumbered with both hands free?

Does it count if I want to not worry about whether someone trips over my cane and breaks it? Or if the tip flies off the cane?

Does it matter if I don't want to worry about what happens to my upper body because that trusty cane doesn't protect it while I'm walking? Because believe me, running into scaffolding bloody hurts, and yes, I've done it.

Does it matter if I want to be able to actually walk in a straight line? Because, short of tapping against a wall or grass line, there isn't a way to do it with a cane.

Does it matter if I wish to traverse through a crowded downtown area, or any crowded environment without running into many things?

Does it matter if I want to be inconspicuous, and not be asked whether I, a poor blind man, require assistance to wipe my ass? Because that is essentially what happens to every single blind person I know. I am not approached about my work. I am not approached about my appearance. I am not approached about my shoes. I am not approached about anything except my blindness and someone wanting to help me because they think I am making a mistake trying to cross a street.

So, sorry, but we definitely need a cane replacement, in my view, and any blind person disagreeing is, frankly, a complete and utter fool. And, I would ask blind people to support the effort instead of shitting on it, because developers should be encouraged to innovate, not be discouraged by stupid posts like the one I've just read.

Does that mean that Strap will, indeed, replace the cane? I don't know, probably not. But it's a much better attempt than we've seen so far, with others trying to reinvent the cane by making it heavier and adding sensors to it.

So, I would say, support the effort. Stand by and watch, if you wish. But don't get in the way of what is possibly the most progress we've seen in a long time. We have cars that zoom on the roads autonomously. We have planes that can take off and land themselves. We have trains that can do the same, with minimal to no human interaction. We have probes going into deep space sending back pictures of Mars. And yet, the best the blind people can do, is fight to use their canes, and say they're proud of their canes.

I say again, if you don't or can't help, and you don't support the effort, with the nicest and most respectful intent possible, get the hell out of the way, sit down and shut up, and don't stop innovation and progress.

And with that, I will no longer engage in this thread, because I can see that more stupidity will be posted, and more people will come out proud to be carrying a stick.


On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:57 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.
 
I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 
 
Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.
 
Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.
 
As G.K. Chesterton said:
“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 



--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.

Registered Linux User 529141.
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To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

Thank you, and have a great day!


Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Gene
 

Isn’t it interesting how the cane is not respected and disparaged because blind people use it?  I don’t see people trying to eliminate cars because unassisted movement is a right and is superior.
 
I’d like to see how expensive this device is.  I’d like to see how long it runs on a charge.  I’d like to see if it gives me information about my nearby environment such as where a doorway is to a building or where there is grass to my left and where that grass is interrupted by a driveway, which may be necessary for me to find with my cane to know where I turn to move toward a building and the counting of driveways and walkways may be necessary for me to know when I’m turning at the right place. 
 
Device after device has been made and they have none of them been widely adopted.  Maybe there is a reason.
 
Blindness is considered a tragedy and the ways blind people do things are often disparaged, guilt by association.  Some ways blind people do things are neutral, some inferior, some superior.  Will it be replaced at some point by something superior?  Who knows.  but its persistence and wide use should give those who chaff at the bit to eliminate it pause.
 
As G.K. Chesterton said:
“Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.”
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount
 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 


Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Discount

Marco Curralejo
 

Hello everyone,

 

Three years in the making, STRAP is an innovative, wearable device that fits over the chest and is designed to detect any type of obstacle. STRAP’s vast array of sensors work by sending real-time information that detects obstacles at your head, chest, and below your waist - including bumps, holes, and steps, then notifying you with haptic language vibrations. Designed for all ages and shipped globally later this year.

 

At STRAP Technologies we believe autonomy and independence are human rights; not luxuries. Our goal is to be the first replacement of the white cane, giving the visually impaired a long overdue hands free experience.

 

Use code BlindTech strap.tech, for 50% off the current total price of a STRAP device. Preorder today at this discounted price of $250 and pay only $50 at this time to reserve your STRAP. Once STRAP is shipped to you, you will be billed the remaining $200. This offer is just available with this Blind Tech Guys Code.

 

The Blind Tech Guys  are pleased to offer you the above exclusive code and we are delighted to share this with our ever-growing community, so if you are keen to try this product, we encourage you to pre-order it and keep an eye out for a demo of the product to hit your ears sometime soon.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marco Curralejo

 


Re: How to download Jarte

Gene
 

All these items should be and evidently are in the same folder.  The items that aren’t the exe file allow Wordpad to read formats it otherwise couldn’t.  As long as they are there, Wordpad will use them if it needs them.  You are using Wordpad as a portable program.  As with portable programs in general, press enter on the exe file and the program will open.  If you have used XP or earlier versions of Wordpad, the program is as you expect.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte
 

Gene, I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but other important duties had called.  I no longer use IE to download anythingk, just Edge.  After several tries, I think I downloaded the WordPad you sent using Edge.  I downloaded it on my windows 10 computer.  After unzipping the file, I now have three items which are WPC files and wordpad.exe application.  What do I do with these?  Remember my e-mail is on the windows 7 computer and that is why I could not copy each item for you.  Thank you.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 9:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Here is a link.  It isn’t clear to me if you are just having problems downloading JARTE or general problems with Internet Explorer. 

 

I’m not trying to discourage you from using JARTE, but if you only want a program for this purpose, this one may serve.

 

 

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

On the windows 7 machine the PHD will read all of my e-mails, news magazines and all, as I have Word 2013.  On the windows 10 computer, the music folder can be heard on the PHd, but nothing can be read by Wordpad.  I certainly would not mind trying the Wordpad you mentioned.  Thank you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

In thinking about your question, it raises another interesting question, at least I find it interesting.  Are your e-mails saved as doc files?  I find it very interesting that Wordpad, in its later versions, won’t open doc files.  You may want JARTE anyway but in case you want something very simple and even smaller, I can send you a download link for the old XP Wordpad that can open doc files. 

 

Gene

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Veronica and all

 

While the person may find it useful to have the information and address provided, the question is framed by a statement that the person is having problems downloading anything in Edge and the question of how you download in Internet Explorer. 

 

If these are the actual problems, they need to be addressed.  Internet Explorer isn’t going to be supported indefinitely, I wouldn’t be surprised if support ends in the next year or two. 

 

As to problems downloading using Edge, have you been successful in the past?  What is different now?  Did these problems begin when the new Edge came out?  The way you download files is a little different in Edge compared with other browsers I’ve used but once you know how to work with the differences, downloads are not a problem. 

 


Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 4:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

I put download Jarte into google, the  first result:

Download the Jarte Word Processor

 

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Lately, I have been having a lot of issues trying to download something, whether it is an app, program, music--using windows 7 or windows 10with MS Edge, and I have tried IE on windows 10.  At the moment I would like to download Jarte on my windows 10 computer, as I do not have MS Word on that computer and I cannot read the e-mails that are on my portable hard drive because of that.  I can read them fine on the windows 7 computer, but at times that particular computer is not available.  Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to acquire and download Jarte?  Thank you very much.

 

Veronica

 

 


Re: How to download Jarte

John Holcomb II
 

You open wordpad.exe. that will open the WordPad  program.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 8:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Gene, I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but other important duties had called.  I no longer use IE to download anythingk, just Edge.  After several tries, I think I downloaded the WordPad you sent using Edge.  I downloaded it on my windows 10 computer.  After unzipping the file, I now have three items which are WPC files and wordpad.exe application.  What do I do with these?  Remember my e-mail is on the windows 7 computer and that is why I could not copy each item for you.  Thank you.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 9:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Here is a link.  It isn’t clear to me if you are just having problems downloading JARTE or general problems with Internet Explorer. 

 

I’m not trying to discourage you from using JARTE, but if you only want a program for this purpose, this one may serve.

 

 

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

On the windows 7 machine the PHD will read all of my e-mails, news magazines and all, as I have Word 2013.  On the windows 10 computer, the music folder can be heard on the PHd, but nothing can be read by Wordpad.  I certainly would not mind trying the Wordpad you mentioned.  Thank you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

In thinking about your question, it raises another interesting question, at least I find it interesting.  Are your e-mails saved as doc files?  I find it very interesting that Wordpad, in its later versions, won’t open doc files.  You may want JARTE anyway but in case you want something very simple and even smaller, I can send you a download link for the old XP Wordpad that can open doc files. 

 

Gene

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Veronica and all

 

While the person may find it useful to have the information and address provided, the question is framed by a statement that the person is having problems downloading anything in Edge and the question of how you download in Internet Explorer. 

 

If these are the actual problems, they need to be addressed.  Internet Explorer isn’t going to be supported indefinitely, I wouldn’t be surprised if support ends in the next year or two. 

 

As to problems downloading using Edge, have you been successful in the past?  What is different now?  Did these problems begin when the new Edge came out?  The way you download files is a little different in Edge compared with other browsers I’ve used but once you know how to work with the differences, downloads are not a problem. 

 


Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 4:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

I put download Jarte into google, the  first result:

Download the Jarte Word Processor

 

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Lately, I have been having a lot of issues trying to download something, whether it is an app, program, music--using windows 7 or windows 10with MS Edge, and I have tried IE on windows 10.  At the moment I would like to download Jarte on my windows 10 computer, as I do not have MS Word on that computer and I cannot read the e-mails that are on my portable hard drive because of that.  I can read them fine on the windows 7 computer, but at times that particular computer is not available.  Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to acquire and download Jarte?  Thank you very much.

 

Veronica

 

 


Re: How to download Jarte

Veronica Kirk
 

Gene, I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but other important duties had called.  I no longer use IE to download anythingk, just Edge.  After several tries, I think I downloaded the WordPad you sent using Edge.  I downloaded it on my windows 10 computer.  After unzipping the file, I now have three items which are WPC files and wordpad.exe application.  What do I do with these?  Remember my e-mail is on the windows 7 computer and that is why I could not copy each item for you.  Thank you.

 

Veronica

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 9:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Here is a link.  It isn’t clear to me if you are just having problems downloading JARTE or general problems with Internet Explorer. 

 

I’m not trying to discourage you from using JARTE, but if you only want a program for this purpose, this one may serve.

 

 

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

On the windows 7 machine the PHD will read all of my e-mails, news magazines and all, as I have Word 2013.  On the windows 10 computer, the music folder can be heard on the PHd, but nothing can be read by Wordpad.  I certainly would not mind trying the Wordpad you mentioned.  Thank you.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

In thinking about your question, it raises another interesting question, at least I find it interesting.  Are your e-mails saved as doc files?  I find it very interesting that Wordpad, in its later versions, won’t open doc files.  You may want JARTE anyway but in case you want something very simple and even smaller, I can send you a download link for the old XP Wordpad that can open doc files. 

 

Gene

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Veronica and all

 

While the person may find it useful to have the information and address provided, the question is framed by a statement that the person is having problems downloading anything in Edge and the question of how you download in Internet Explorer. 

 

If these are the actual problems, they need to be addressed.  Internet Explorer isn’t going to be supported indefinitely, I wouldn’t be surprised if support ends in the next year or two. 

 

As to problems downloading using Edge, have you been successful in the past?  What is different now?  Did these problems begin when the new Edge came out?  The way you download files is a little different in Edge compared with other browsers I’ve used but once you know how to work with the differences, downloads are not a problem. 

 


Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 4:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

I put download Jarte into google, the  first result:

Download the Jarte Word Processor

 

John

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Veronica Kirk
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] How to download Jarte

 

Lately, I have been having a lot of issues trying to download something, whether it is an app, program, music--using windows 7 or windows 10with MS Edge, and I have tried IE on windows 10.  At the moment I would like to download Jarte on my windows 10 computer, as I do not have MS Word on that computer and I cannot read the e-mails that are on my portable hard drive because of that.  I can read them fine on the windows 7 computer, but at times that particular computer is not available.  Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to acquire and download Jarte?  Thank you very much.

 

Veronica

 

 


Re: Humanware Brailliant BI 40 Inquiry

Cristóbal
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:23 AM
To: TechTalk Mailing List <TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Humanware Brailliant BI 40 Inquiry

Hello Group,

I was recently able to obtain a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 Braille Display. I do not have a manual or any quick start guide. I searched on the Humanware website and I was able to find a BI 40X, but not a BI 40.

does anyone know where I can get a quick start guide or user manual for this device? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Humanware Brailliant BI 40 Inquiry

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello Group,

I was recently able to obtain a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 Braille Display.  I do not have a manual or any quick start guide.  I searched on the Humanware website and I was able to find a BI 40X, but not a BI 40.

does anyone know where I can get a quick start guide or user manual for this device?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Portable Washing Machines

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Does anyone have any experience with using portable clothes washing machines?  I'm talking about the kind of washing machine you would use in a small apartment and you hook it up to your kitchen faucet for your water supply.  If so, would you please say what brand and model you used and what kind of luck you had with it as far as reliability and service goes?  All input is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: another jarte question

Troy Burnham
 

I'll try this Geoff, Jarte states it's already in screen reader mode when I open it but maybe it needs to be reset for some reason.


Btw as I stated yesterday I usually use jaws 2020, but I have jaws 2018 installed also and I loaded that and I was able to use the pc cursor to read in Jarte.


Troy



On 5/4/2021 10:59 PM, Geoff Eden wrote:

If I repeat, I apologize. However, no mention was made of the need to place the phrase;


enable screen reader mode


On your clipboard before starting jarte.


Create the phrase in Notepad, press control A, press control C,close Notepad, and open jarte. This appears to put jarte into screen reader mode, which it announces as it opens.


There are rumours that this has been repaired, but I find I need to refresh the setting occasionally using the instructions above.


Here, using JAWS 2018 or NVDA jarte works just fine.


Good luck


Geoff







On 5/4/2021 4:28 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:

I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling jarte 2 or 3 times since I had to have windows reinstalled at the end of February since that's when I noticed this, and I even used a different upgraded version of jarte than the one I had before and the problem still exists.


Actually it's not really a problem and more of just an annoyance, I discovered by mistake being able to read with the jaws cursor and before that I considered it a problem.


Troy


On 5/4/2021 3:01 PM, Gene wrote:
I just downloaded JARTE and looked at the settings.  I didn’t see anything related to how the cursor is displayed.  Therefore, you may want to try uninstalling and reinstalling the program.  If you have NVDA and are satisfied to use it in JARTE, you might want to try it before doing diagnostic work. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] another jarte question
 
This is speculation but since you can read text using the JAWS cursor, that suggests to me that JAWS isn’t seeing the cursor for some reason.  Others who use JARTE may be able to comment on that further.  For the moment, the best thing to do might be to wait for other comments.  Perhaps there is a setting you can change in the program that will solve the problem.
 
Gene
----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:15 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] another jarte question
 
Hi all,


Jarte is in screen reader mode, but when I open a file with it I have to
use the jaws cursor to read because it won't speak when using the pc
cursor no matter what I do. Has anybody else experienced this? Btw I'm
using jaws 2020.


Thanks.


Troy







This week on Eyes On success: Accessible cloud Technologies

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2119 Accessible Cloud Technologies (May 5, 2021)
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