Brand new to Mac, is Macbook Pro A1502 a good starter machine


Steven Johnson <saxmonger@...>
 

I have always been a PC user, although I enjoy my iPhone.  I want to start learning to use the Mac.  I have a chance to pick up a Macbook Pro A1502 with the Yosemite OS for about $100 later this year.  Is it a dinosaur, or will it serve a beginner’s needs for a while.  Regretfully, I am totally Mac ignorant.  Thanks in advance for your advice.


Josh Kennedy
 

I had a macbook pro back in 2010. I used it for a month and then went back to windows. I like my iPhone/iPod touch. But I would never get a mac again.
first, you have to always interact and stop interacting with objects to get anything done. Lets say you are on a toolbar. First to see what is in the toolbar you have to hit a special command to interact with it. And in some cases you have to hit that command 2 or 3 times to do what you want. Then you have to stop interacting for an equal amount of times to get back to where you were previously at. Also the mac does not have eloquence and all the tts voices my pc has. So that was another letdown for me. And last, I could not do advanced stuff in microsoft office such as reading charts in excel with jaws. So if you need advanced office stuff. Sorry, the mac won't let you do some of that. And also, audio games. There are many more audio games for windows than there are for the mac. So even though I had a macbook pro, after less than a month, I installed windows7 onto it using bootcamp and mostly booted the mac into windows and used it as a really expensive overkill pc. And since it was windows running on mac, it did have some issues with audio, the keyboard and some other stuff I do not remember. Afterwards in about 2 yers, I sold the mac and bought a used pc with windows7 on it. Used that for a few years, got a free laptop from someone. Then bought an RCA cambio windows10 2-in-1 laptop. It is quite slow. So in January I will be getting a much better laptop that runs 64bit windows10. The RCA cambio only runs windows10 32bit and it is quite slow. But I was strapped for cash at the time and $100 for a slow laptop was better than nothing at all. 


chris judge
 

Yes, I found that as well. No matter how hard I tried I could not rap my head around voice over on the mac.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
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I had a macbook pro back in 2010. I used it for a month and then went back to windows. I like my iPhone/iPod touch. But I would never get a mac again.
first, you have to always interact and stop interacting with objects to get anything done. Lets say you are on a toolbar. First to see what is in the toolbar you have to hit a special command to interact with it. And in some cases you have to hit that command 2 or 3 times to do what you want. Then you have to stop interacting for an equal amount of times to get back to where you were previously at. Also the mac does not have eloquence and all the tts voices my pc has. So that was another letdown for me. And last, I could not do advanced stuff in microsoft office such as reading charts in excel with jaws. So if you need advanced office stuff. Sorry, the mac won't let you do some of that. And also, audio games. There are many more audio games for windows than there are for the mac. So even though I had a macbook pro, after less than a month, I installed windows7 onto it using bootcamp and mostly booted the mac into windows and used it as a really expensive overkill pc. And since it was windows running on mac, it did have some issues with audio, the keyboard and some other stuff I do not remember. Afterwards in about 2 yers, I sold the mac and bought a used pc with windows7 on it. Used that for a few years, got a free laptop from someone. Then bought an RCA cambio windows10 2-in-1 laptop. It is quite slow. So in January I will be getting a much better laptop that runs 64bit windows10. The RCA cambio only runs windows10 32bit and it is quite slow. But I was strapped for cash at the time and $100 for a slow laptop was better than nothing at all. 


jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

To be encouraged for the one that is not familiar with Mac. NBP has braille instructions to teach the Mac. Have a good time with that. I always wanted one, so maybe one day.

Jan


Lenron
 

The Mac with using vo is just a pain. I can use it things are just
slower for me on there though.

On 10/18/19, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
To be encouraged for the one that is not familiar with Mac. NBP
has braille instructions to teach the Mac. Have a good time with
that. I always wanted one, so maybe one day.

Jan



--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Do you like using a braille display with the Mac?


Victor
 

Hello:

I have been using a Mac for about two years now and I love it! I have had no trouble learning the voiceover commands. I have had no trouble with interacting with collections, groups, side bars, toolbars or any of the other elements related to using the Mac.

I have had such bad luck with using Windows computers that I have come to despise the windows operating system! Though I have been very careful, I have had three computers die because of malware, spyware and viruses. Plus, I have had various programs become disabled because of those darn windows updates! I have not used windows 10, but I have heard that some updates continue to cause problems. In short, if I can help it, I will never get another Windows computer again. I will either use a Mac or an iPad. Actually, I like the iPad the most. It’s a matter of personal preference, but the iOS and Mac operating systems are the ones I prefer.

As for the MacBook Pro, I have heard very good things about it. The only bad thing I’ve heard is that the built-in butterfly keyboard tends to break overtime and you have to have the Apple store replace it.

I like using a braille display with the Mac. It works very well. It also works very well with the iPhone and the iPad.

Aside from the MacBook Pro, you might consider using an iPad as an alternative to the traditional laptop computer. Some disagree, but many claim that with the new iPad operating system, the iPad is a good alternative to the traditional computer. Many claim that it will meet most of your needs. I’ve done a little research, and some IT professionals are using the iPad to do much of their work.

Again, this is all a matter of personal preference. However, I personally recommend a Mac or an iPad. You might want to go into an Apple Store and play with the iPad and the Mac for a while just to make sure you’ll like it. Maybe you’ll be able to decide that before you buy it. If you decide that you don’t like the Mac or the iPad, you can get a PC and not waste your money on something that doesn’t work for you.

If you years ago, my supervisor at work purchased a Mac because he got tired of windows. However, he still needed windows because there were certain programs that he needed that were not on the Mac. So, he had windows loaded on a Mac so that he could have the best of both. For him, that worked out very well. If you decide to get a MacBook Pro, that may be an option for you as well. Again, personal preference.

HTH,

Victor

On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:41 PM, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Do you like using a braille display with the Mac?



Lenron
 

Mac has it's good points, but not enough for me to use it full time. I
keep trying to give it a chance. Interacting drives me nuts. If you
don't game it's a perfect machine. The Mac is also good for music
production.

On 10/18/19, Victor <victorelawrence@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello:

I have been using a Mac for about two years now and I love it! I have had no
trouble learning the voiceover commands. I have had no trouble with
interacting with collections, groups, side bars, toolbars or any of the
other elements related to using the Mac.

I have had such bad luck with using Windows computers that I have come to
despise the windows operating system! Though I have been very careful, I
have had three computers die because of malware, spyware and viruses. Plus,
I have had various programs become disabled because of those darn windows
updates! I have not used windows 10, but I have heard that some updates
continue to cause problems. In short, if I can help it, I will never get
another Windows computer again. I will either use a Mac or an iPad.
Actually, I like the iPad the most. It’s a matter of personal preference,
but the iOS and Mac operating systems are the ones I prefer.

As for the MacBook Pro, I have heard very good things about it. The only bad
thing I’ve heard is that the built-in butterfly keyboard tends to break
overtime and you have to have the Apple store replace it.

I like using a braille display with the Mac. It works very well. It also
works very well with the iPhone and the iPad.

Aside from the MacBook Pro, you might consider using an iPad as an
alternative to the traditional laptop computer. Some disagree, but many
claim that with the new iPad operating system, the iPad is a good
alternative to the traditional computer. Many claim that it will meet most
of your needs. I’ve done a little research, and some IT professionals are
using the iPad to do much of their work.

Again, this is all a matter of personal preference. However, I personally
recommend a Mac or an iPad. You might want to go into an Apple Store and
play with the iPad and the Mac for a while just to make sure you’ll like it.
Maybe you’ll be able to decide that before you buy it. If you decide that
you don’t like the Mac or the iPad, you can get a PC and not waste your
money on something that doesn’t work for you.

If you years ago, my supervisor at work purchased a Mac because he got tired
of windows. However, he still needed windows because there were certain
programs that he needed that were not on the Mac. So, he had windows loaded
on a Mac so that he could have the best of both. For him, that worked out
very well. If you decide to get a MacBook Pro, that may be an option for you
as well. Again, personal preference.

HTH,

Victor
On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:41 PM, jan howells via Groups.Io
<gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Do you like using a braille display with the Mac?




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Skype: ron.brown762


Victor
 

I don’t game very much. When I do, it’s usually on my iPhone. Of course I spend most of my free time on the iPhone rather than a computer anymore.

Victor

On Oct 18, 2019, at 7:59 PM, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:

Mac has it's good points, but not enough for me to use it full time. I
keep trying to give it a chance. Interacting drives me nuts. If you
don't game it's a perfect machine. The Mac is also good for music
production.

On 10/18/19, Victor <victorelawrence@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello:

I have been using a Mac for about two years now and I love it! I have had no
trouble learning the voiceover commands. I have had no trouble with
interacting with collections, groups, side bars, toolbars or any of the
other elements related to using the Mac.

I have had such bad luck with using Windows computers that I have come to
despise the windows operating system! Though I have been very careful, I
have had three computers die because of malware, spyware and viruses. Plus,
I have had various programs become disabled because of those darn windows
updates! I have not used windows 10, but I have heard that some updates
continue to cause problems. In short, if I can help it, I will never get
another Windows computer again. I will either use a Mac or an iPad.
Actually, I like the iPad the most. It’s a matter of personal preference,
but the iOS and Mac operating systems are the ones I prefer.

As for the MacBook Pro, I have heard very good things about it. The only bad
thing I’ve heard is that the built-in butterfly keyboard tends to break
overtime and you have to have the Apple store replace it.

I like using a braille display with the Mac. It works very well. It also
works very well with the iPhone and the iPad.

Aside from the MacBook Pro, you might consider using an iPad as an
alternative to the traditional laptop computer. Some disagree, but many
claim that with the new iPad operating system, the iPad is a good
alternative to the traditional computer. Many claim that it will meet most
of your needs. I’ve done a little research, and some IT professionals are
using the iPad to do much of their work.

Again, this is all a matter of personal preference. However, I personally
recommend a Mac or an iPad. You might want to go into an Apple Store and
play with the iPad and the Mac for a while just to make sure you’ll like it.
Maybe you’ll be able to decide that before you buy it. If you decide that
you don’t like the Mac or the iPad, you can get a PC and not waste your
money on something that doesn’t work for you.

If you years ago, my supervisor at work purchased a Mac because he got tired
of windows. However, he still needed windows because there were certain
programs that he needed that were not on the Mac. So, he had windows loaded
on a Mac so that he could have the best of both. For him, that worked out
very well. If you decide to get a MacBook Pro, that may be an option for you
as well. Again, personal preference.

HTH,

Victor
On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:41 PM, jan howells via Groups.Io
<gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Do you like using a braille display with the Mac?





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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762



Nancy Hill
 

Hi, Sorry that I know nothing about that specific Macbook, but to me, the long and short of it is that if you can get a working machine for 100$, then it would most likely be a great introduction to the Mac.  I got my husband a 2012ish  MacBook Pro for a reasonable price and he has enjoyed it when he wants to get off his 8+ phone.


Sounds good for an introduction to tasting a bite of the Apple.


Good Luck!


Nancy

On 10/18/2019 10:59 PM, Lenron wrote:
Mac has it's good points, but not enough for me to use it full time. I
keep trying to give it a chance. Interacting drives me nuts. If you
don't game it's a perfect machine. The Mac is also good for music
production.

On 10/18/19, Victor <victorelawrence@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello:

I have been using a Mac for about two years now and I love it! I have had no
trouble learning the voiceover commands. I have had no trouble with
interacting with collections, groups, side bars, toolbars or any of the
other elements related to using the Mac.

I have had such bad luck with using Windows computers that I have come to
despise the windows operating system! Though I have been very careful, I
have had three computers die because of malware, spyware and viruses. Plus,
I have had various programs become disabled because of those darn windows
updates! I have not used windows 10, but I have heard that some updates
continue to cause problems. In short, if I can help it, I will never get
another Windows computer again. I will either use a Mac or an iPad.
Actually, I like the iPad the most. It’s a matter of personal preference,
but the iOS and Mac operating systems are the ones I prefer.

As for the MacBook Pro, I have heard very good things about it. The only bad
thing I’ve heard is that the built-in butterfly keyboard tends to break
overtime and you have to have the Apple store replace it.

I like using a braille display with the Mac. It works very well. It also
works very well with the iPhone and the iPad.

Aside from the MacBook Pro, you might consider using an iPad as an
alternative to the traditional laptop computer. Some disagree, but many
claim that with the new iPad operating system, the iPad is a good
alternative to the traditional computer. Many claim that it will meet most
of your needs. I’ve done a little research, and some IT professionals are
using the iPad to do much of their work.

Again, this is all a matter of personal preference. However, I personally
recommend a Mac or an iPad. You might want to go into an Apple Store and
play with the iPad and the Mac for a while just to make sure you’ll like it.
Maybe you’ll be able to decide that before you buy it. If you decide that
you don’t like the Mac or the iPad, you can get a PC and not waste your
money on something that doesn’t work for you.

If you years ago, my supervisor at work purchased a Mac because he got tired
of windows. However, he still needed windows because there were certain
programs that he needed that were not on the Mac. So, he had windows loaded
on a Mac so that he could have the best of both. For him, that worked out
very well. If you decide to get a MacBook Pro, that may be an option for you
as well. Again, personal preference.

HTH,

Victor
On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:41 PM, jan howells via Groups.Io
<gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Do you like using a braille display with the Mac?




chris judge
 

Yes, it's not exactly intuitive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: October 18, 2019 5:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Brand new to Mac, is Macbook Pro A1502 a good starter machine

The Mac with using vo is just a pain. I can use it things are just slower for me on there though.

On 10/18/19, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
To be encouraged for the one that is not familiar with Mac. NBP has
braille instructions to teach the Mac. Have a good time with that. I
always wanted one, so maybe one day.

Jan




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Josh Kennedy
 

If you want to save $50, you could go for an iPod touch instead of an iPad. The iPod touch does everything the iPad can do. Only difference is that its screen is a lot smaller. I use my iPod touch for most things these days. But if you are in school and you need a bigger screen for classrooms and such, then I'd say go with the iPad. I really like iOS. I also like my windows machine. But I do not like macBooks and mac computers with all their interacting and stop interacting ways of doing things. But iOS and windows are both nice. And for my smartPhone I just use a xiaomi mi a1 android phone with tracFone. I love the fact that iOS supports so many braille languages, now I can finally learn Japanese braille if I wish. 


Victor
 

When I first received my iPhone 7 Plus, a woman helped me set it up with all of the various apps. I asked her which operating system she preferred. She told me that she liked the windows operating system better than the Mac operating system because she thought windows was more flexible. But she also said that she thought the iPad Pro and its operating system was just as good as windows. Go figure! This just shows that every opinion is different. You know what they say about opinions. LOL

Victor


On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

If you want to save $50, you could go for an iPod touch instead of an iPad. The iPod touch does everything the iPad can do. Only difference is that its screen is a lot smaller. I use my iPod touch for most things these days. But if you are in school and you need a bigger screen for classrooms and such, then I'd say go with the iPad. I really like iOS. I also like my windows machine. But I do not like macBooks and mac computers with all their interacting and stop interacting ways of doing things. But iOS and windows are both nice. And for my smartPhone I just use a xiaomi mi a1 android phone with tracFone. I love the fact that iOS supports so many braille languages, now I can finally learn Japanese braille if I wish.