I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!


Dave
 

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they
offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I
pulled out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I
should have my authorization codes to plug in. --

And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up
front.

Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales,
as this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave


Michael Mote
 

Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization
keys? I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial
number. They should be able to provide you with an authorization key. Like
I said, just an observation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they
offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled
out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I
should have my authorization codes to plug in. --

And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up front.


Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales, as
this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave


Sugar
 

Welcome to the dark side, LOL
Sugar

"We must alter our lives in order to alter our hearts, for it is impossible
to live one way and pray another."
-Sugar Lopez

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they
offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled
out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I
should have my authorization codes to plug in. --

And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up front.


Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales, as
this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave


Flor Lynch
 

A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization
keys? I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial
number. They should be able to provide you with an authorization key. Like
I said, just an observation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they
offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled
out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I
should have my authorization codes to plug in. --

And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up front.


Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales, as
this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave


Lenron
 

That's nuts it takes so long to get you the serial number

On 5/17/17, Flor Lynch <florlync@iol.ie> wrote:
A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization
keys? I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial
number. They should be able to provide you with an authorization key.
Like
I said, just an observation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they
offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled
out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I
should have my authorization codes to plug in. --

And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up
front.


Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales,
as
this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave












--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
 

If you have JAWS installed on your computer, just press insert+J to get into the menus, press H for help, and arrow to About and press enter. The serial number is there. You have to virtualize the window if you want to read number by number or copy it. That command is:

Insert+alt+W. OCR is done on that text, and then you can read it and copy!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

 

That's nuts it takes so long to get you the serial number

 

On 5/17/17, Flor Lynch <florlync@...> wrote:

> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Michael Mote

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

> Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization

> keys?  I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial

> number.  They should be able to provide you with an authorization key.

> Like

> I said, just an observation.

> -----Original Message-----

>>From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf

>> Of

> Dave

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

> This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they

> offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled

> out my Credit Card.

> *Big Sigh>  I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.

> The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I

> should have my authorization codes to plug in.  --

> And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up

> front.

> Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales,

> as

> this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

> But, that's a different subject for another time.

> Grumpy Dave

>

 

 

--

Lenron Brown

Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

 

 

 


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

They have a bunch of users coming over people are forgetting that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

That's nuts it takes so long to get you the serial number

On 5/17/17, Flor Lynch <florlync@iol.ie> wrote:
A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your
authorization keys? I wonder if you could contact tech support and
give them your serial number. They should be able to provide you with an authorization key.
Like
I said, just an observation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when
they offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for
$125, I pulled out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days,
I should have my authorization codes to plug in. --

And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up
front.


Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future
sales, as this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave













--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Donna
 

A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait for the code to arrive in the mail.

You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for the upgrades.

Donna


A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization
keys? I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial
number. They should be able to provide you with an authorization key. Like
I said, just an observation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they
offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled
out my Credit Card.

*Big Sigh> I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.


The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I
should have my authorization codes to plug in. --
And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up front.


Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales, as
this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

But, that's a different subject for another time.

Grumpy Dave












Gene
 

Virtualizing a window has nothing to do with OCR.  It means that the window is virtualized as though you were in an application using the virtual pc cursor.  That's why you can copy text to the clipboard in a virtualized window.  Performing OCR on a screen is a completely different command.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

If you have JAWS installed on your computer, just press insert+J to get into the menus, press H for help, and arrow to About and press enter. The serial number is there. You have to virtualize the window if you want to read number by number or copy it. That command is:

Insert+alt+W. OCR is done on that text, and then you can read it and copy!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

 

That's nuts it takes so long to get you the serial number

 

On 5/17/17, Flor Lynch <florlync@...> wrote:

> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Michael Mote

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

> Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization

> keys?  I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial

> number.  They should be able to provide you with an authorization key.

> Like

> I said, just an observation.

> -----Original Message-----

>>From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf

>> Of

> Dave

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

> This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they

> offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled

> out my Credit Card.

> *Big Sigh>  I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.

> The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I

> should have my authorization codes to plug in.  --

> And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up

> front.

> Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales,

> as

> this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

> But, that's a different subject for another time.

> Grumpy Dave

>

 

 

--

Lenron Brown

Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

 

 

 


Carlos
 


For the record, there is a difference between virtualizing a window and OCR.  No OCR is performed when you virtualize a window.  And specifically in the "About" dialog, no OCR is necessary.  Since you can review the dialog with the JAWS cursor as well, this indicates it is not graphical text.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

If you have JAWS installed on your computer, just press insert+J to get into the menus, press H for help, and arrow to About and press enter. The serial number is there. You have to virtualize the window if you want to read number by number or copy it. That command is:

Insert+alt+W. OCR is done on that text, and then you can read it and copy!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

 

That's nuts it takes so long to get you the serial number

 

On 5/17/17, Flor Lynch <florlync@...> wrote:

> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Michael Mote

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:12 PM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

> Just an observation, but why do you have to wait for your authorization

> keys?  I wonder if you could contact tech support and give them your serial

> number.  They should be able to provide you with an authorization key.

> Like

> I said, just an observation.

> -----Original Message-----

>>From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf

>> Of

> Dave

> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:58 AM

> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

> Subject: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

> This morning I called JAWS to make my Migration Official, and when they

> offered me two full upgrades to Jaws 19 and then 20, all for $125, I pulled

> out my Credit Card.

> *Big Sigh>  I think this makes me a member of the Dark Side.

> The interaction with the Jaws rep was easy and in three or four days, I

> should have my authorization codes to plug in.  --

> And when Jaws 19 and 20 come along, I will be glad I paid the $125 up

> front.

> Although, I have to question the practise of Borrowing from future sales,

> as

> this is not the best method of creating cash flow.

> But, that's a different subject for another time.

> Grumpy Dave

>

 

 

--

Lenron Brown

Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

 

 

 


Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18. Your friend got charged for 16, 17 and 18. It makes me seethe every time I think about it. It's usurous! It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind. It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless. VFO will continue the policy because they can and because now that they have what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please. Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being takenadvantage of by a big company.

Ann P.

Original message:

A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait for the code to arrive in the mail.
You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for the upgrades.
Donna
A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Lenron
 

Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
by them.

On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18. Your friend got charged
for 16, 17 and 18. It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
It's usurous! It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless. VFO will
continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
takenadvantage of by a big company.

Ann P.

Original message:
A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
for the code to arrive in the mail.
You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
the upgrades.
Donna
A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."



--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Dave
 

Hm-m-m So it costs $300 to upgrade from Jaws 15 to Jaws 18?

So what is the Total paid by the person who upgraded from 15 to 16, then
from 16, to 17, and then from 17 to 18?

Probably close to $300.

I am curious, what do you Socialists and Communists think is a fair
price?

Was just wondering.

Grumpy Dave


Dave
 

Hello Michael,

Actually, when I spoke with someone at VFO, they did take my Window Eyes
Serial Number. They had all of my personal info there too. Probably
Inherited the GW Micro Customer Database files.

I didn't ask why it took 3 days, and they didn't bother to tell me on
their own. Figure the Department I spoke to is not the one who sends
out the Unlock codes.

Grumpy Dave



--
Dave <dlh007@centurylink.net>


Gene
 

This sounds to me like classic JAWS bashing.  Does anyone making these charges know as a fact that other companies who use service maintenance agreements don't have similar requirements? I mean ingeneral, not just those companies serving blind people.  Is there an industry standard?
 
Regardless of the answer to that question, let's consider what those asking to pay a single upgrade price no matter how many they skip are really asking for, even if they don't know it.  Anyone who skips versions and only upgrades now and then is getting the benefit of all those who did pay to upgrade and not contributing to the expense of doing so if they can upgrade whenever they want and pay only the cost of one upgrade.  I don't know what the standard practice is in the industry but on its face, this expectation makes no sense.  the longer a user doesn't upgrade, if only one flat upgrade price were charged, the more that person would be being subsidized by others and the product would be increasingly discounted for that person. 
 
If I skip four upgrades and then pay the price of just one upgrade, who has paid for all the upgrades I'm not paying for?  And I'm paying an increasingly smaller percentage of all those accumulated upgrade costs the more upgrades I skip. 
 
I don't know what those who are so incensed by this policy have considered.  Have those of you making such comments in this discussion considered these arguments or are you just basing your anger on a notion of what is fair?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
by them.

On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
> is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
> you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18.   Your friend got charged
> for 16, 17 and 18.   It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
> It's usurous!  It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
> It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless.   VFO will
> continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
> what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
> Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
> they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
> takenadvantage of by a big company.
>
> Ann P.
>
> Original message:
>> A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
>> for the code to arrive in the mail.
>
>> You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
>> the upgrades.
>
>> Donna
>
>>> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> Portal Tutoring
> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
> Skype: Putertutor
>
> "All that is gold does not glitter,
> Not all those who wander are lost."
>
>
>
>


--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762



Carlos
 


I agree.  Although I think the outrage basically stems from the high costs in general.  I doubt anyone would be quite so angry if they were only charging $20 per upgrade.  Whether JAWS prices are overall unreasonable is a different story and I'm not sure I'm qualified to make such a determination.  Of course they seem high, but as usual supply and demand means that accessibility related products will always be more expensive.  I don't know if JAWS might still be too expensive taking supply and demand into consideration, but they would certainly go out of business if they either didn't charge enough or gave away free versions of their products.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

This sounds to me like classic JAWS bashing.  Does anyone making these charges know as a fact that other companies who use service maintenance agreements don't have similar requirements? I mean ingeneral, not just those companies serving blind people.  Is there an industry standard?
 
Regardless of the answer to that question, let's consider what those asking to pay a single upgrade price no matter how many they skip are really asking for, even if they don't know it.  Anyone who skips versions and only upgrades now and then is getting the benefit of all those who did pay to upgrade and not contributing to the expense of doing so if they can upgrade whenever they want and pay only the cost of one upgrade.  I don't know what the standard practice is in the industry but on its face, this expectation makes no sense.  the longer a user doesn't upgrade, if only one flat upgrade price were charged, the more that person would be being subsidized by others and the product would be increasingly discounted for that person. 
 
If I skip four upgrades and then pay the price of just one upgrade, who has paid for all the upgrades I'm not paying for?  And I'm paying an increasingly smaller percentage of all those accumulated upgrade costs the more upgrades I skip. 
 
I don't know what those who are so incensed by this policy have considered.  Have those of you making such comments in this discussion considered these arguments or are you just basing your anger on a notion of what is fair?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
by them.

On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
> is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
> you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18.   Your friend got charged
> for 16, 17 and 18.   It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
> It's usurous!  It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
> It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless.   VFO will
> continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
> what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
> Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
> they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
> takenadvantage of by a big company.
>
> Ann P.
>
> Original message:
>> A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
>> for the code to arrive in the mail.
>
>> You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
>> the upgrades.
>
>> Donna
>
>>> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> Portal Tutoring
> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
> Skype: Putertutor
>
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Lenron
 

Either way you dice it. Jaws is a rip off. Don't mean I have not used
it if I really really had to. It's over priced if it wasn't of course
I wouldn't mind paying for it.

On 5/17/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
This sounds to me like classic JAWS bashing. Does anyone making these
charges know as a fact that other companies who use service maintenance
agreements don't have similar requirements? I mean ingeneral, not just those
companies serving blind people. Is there an industry standard?

Regardless of the answer to that question, let's consider what those asking
to pay a single upgrade price no matter how many they skip are really asking
for, even if they don't know it. Anyone who skips versions and only
upgrades now and then is getting the benefit of all those who did pay to
upgrade and not contributing to the expense of doing so if they can upgrade
whenever they want and pay only the cost of one upgrade. I don't know what
the standard practice is in the industry but on its face, this expectation
makes no sense. the longer a user doesn't upgrade, if only one flat upgrade
price were charged, the more that person would be being subsidized by others
and the product would be increasingly discounted for that person.

If I skip four upgrades and then pay the price of just one upgrade, who has
paid for all the upgrades I'm not paying for? And I'm paying an
increasingly smaller percentage of all those accumulated upgrade costs the
more upgrades I skip.

I don't know what those who are so incensed by this policy have considered.
Have those of you making such comments in this discussion considered these
arguments or are you just basing your anger on a notion of what is fair?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!


Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
by them.

On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18. Your friend got charged
for 16, 17 and 18. It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
It's usurous! It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless. VFO will
continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
takenadvantage of by a big company.

Ann P.

Original message:
A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
for the code to arrive in the mail.
You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
the upgrades.
Donna
A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
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Carlos
 

As I said,. although people may complain about having to pay for each upgrade, when you get down to it the outrage basically stems from the overall high cost in general.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!


Either way you dice it. Jaws is a rip off. Don't mean I have not used
it if I really really had to. It's over priced if it wasn't of course
I wouldn't mind paying for it.

On 5/17/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
This sounds to me like classic JAWS bashing. Does anyone making these
charges know as a fact that other companies who use service maintenance
agreements don't have similar requirements? I mean ingeneral, not just those
companies serving blind people. Is there an industry standard?

Regardless of the answer to that question, let's consider what those asking
to pay a single upgrade price no matter how many they skip are really asking
for, even if they don't know it. Anyone who skips versions and only
upgrades now and then is getting the benefit of all those who did pay to
upgrade and not contributing to the expense of doing so if they can upgrade
whenever they want and pay only the cost of one upgrade. I don't know what
the standard practice is in the industry but on its face, this expectation
makes no sense. the longer a user doesn't upgrade, if only one flat upgrade
price were charged, the more that person would be being subsidized by others
and the product would be increasingly discounted for that person.

If I skip four upgrades and then pay the price of just one upgrade, who has
paid for all the upgrades I'm not paying for? And I'm paying an
increasingly smaller percentage of all those accumulated upgrade costs the
more upgrades I skip.

I don't know what those who are so incensed by this policy have considered.
Have those of you making such comments in this discussion considered these
arguments or are you just basing your anger on a notion of what is fair?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!


Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
by them.

On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,

Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18. Your friend got charged
for 16, 17 and 18. It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
It's usurous! It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless. VFO will
continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
takenadvantage of by a big company.

Ann P.

Original message:
A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
for the code to arrive in the mail.
You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
the upgrades.
Donna
A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
** New EMAIL: akp@sero.email
web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762



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Gene
 

Whenever such discussions come up, people claim that JAWS is a ripoff or too expensive.  But making a claim, no matter how often, doesn't prove or demonstrate it to be correct.  I've heard this claim for two decades, since I started following such matters when I started using mainstream computers.  In all that time, I haven't seen it demonstrated or even attempted to be.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

Either way you dice it. Jaws is a rip off. Don't mean I have not used
it if I really really had to. It's over priced if it wasn't of course
I wouldn't mind paying for it.

On 5/17/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> This sounds to me like classic JAWS bashing.  Does anyone making these
> charges know as a fact that other companies who use service maintenance
> agreements don't have similar requirements? I mean ingeneral, not just those
> companies serving blind people.  Is there an industry standard?
>
> Regardless of the answer to that question, let's consider what those asking
> to pay a single upgrade price no matter how many they skip are really asking
> for, even if they don't know it.  Anyone who skips versions and only
> upgrades now and then is getting the benefit of all those who did pay to
> upgrade and not contributing to the expense of doing so if they can upgrade
> whenever they want and pay only the cost of one upgrade.  I don't know what
> the standard practice is in the industry but on its face, this expectation
> makes no sense.  the longer a user doesn't upgrade, if only one flat upgrade
> price were charged, the more that person would be being subsidized by others
> and the product would be increasingly discounted for that person.
>
> If I skip four upgrades and then pay the price of just one upgrade, who has
> paid for all the upgrades I'm not paying for?  And I'm paying an
> increasingly smaller percentage of all those accumulated upgrade costs the
> more upgrades I skip.
>
> I don't know what those who are so incensed by this policy have considered.
> Have those of you making such comments in this discussion considered these
> arguments or are you just basing your anger on a notion of what is fair?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Lenron
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:01 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!
>
>
> Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
> should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
> version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
> well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
> again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
> Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
> by them.
>
> On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
>> is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
>> you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18.   Your friend got charged
>> for 16, 17 and 18.   It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
>> It's usurous!  It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
>> It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless.   VFO will
>> continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
>> what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
>> Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
>> they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
>> takenadvantage of by a big company.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
>>> for the code to arrive in the mail.
>>
>>> You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
>>> the upgrades.
>>
>>> Donna
>>
>>>> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
>>
>> --
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> Portal Tutoring
>> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
>> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
>> Skype: Putertutor
>>
>> "All that is gold does not glitter,
>> Not all those who wander are lost."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Cell: 985-271-2832
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>
>
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Thomas N. Chan
 

GW Micro also charges those incremental upgrade before they merge into AI square.

I believe from last time of Kurzweil, they charge a flat fee in regards of what version. But that’s like more than a decade I heard such.i am just guessing like $75 to $100 something, can’t recall the number since for some reason, humanware lost my data, so I am stuck with the old version.

 

 

--------------------
regards
Thomas N. Chan

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 11:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

 

This sounds to me like classic JAWS bashing.  Does anyone making these charges know as a fact that other companies who use service maintenance agreements don't have similar requirements? I mean ingeneral, not just those companies serving blind people.  Is there an industry standard?

 

Regardless of the answer to that question, let's consider what those asking to pay a single upgrade price no matter how many they skip are really asking for, even if they don't know it.  Anyone who skips versions and only upgrades now and then is getting the benefit of all those who did pay to upgrade and not contributing to the expense of doing so if they can upgrade whenever they want and pay only the cost of one upgrade.  I don't know what the standard practice is in the industry but on its face, this expectation makes no sense.  the longer a user doesn't upgrade, if only one flat upgrade price were charged, the more that person would be being subsidized by others and the product would be increasingly discounted for that person. 

 

If I skip four upgrades and then pay the price of just one upgrade, who has paid for all the upgrades I'm not paying for?  And I'm paying an increasingly smaller percentage of all those accumulated upgrade costs the more upgrades I skip. 

 

I don't know what those who are so incensed by this policy have considered.  Have those of you making such comments in this discussion considered these arguments or are you just basing your anger on a notion of what is fair?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] I've gone all the way to the Dark Side now!

 

Agreed Ann it's a rip off. You have to pay for every upgrade. It
should be one flat price to upgrade from 15 to 18 not pay for every
version in between. Last version I got was 16 it doesn't run all that
well on this win 10 computer. I refuse to pay to upgrade to 18 then
again to 19 in October. So I guess I will enjoy using the lovely NVDA
Thank goodness there is still another choice. I refuse to get screwed
by them.

On 5/17/17, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, I'm sorry about your friend, but it was Freedom Scientific's and
> is now VFO's usurous policy to charge for each upgrade, no matter if
> you are upgrading from 17 to 18, or 15 to 18.   Your friend got charged
> for 16, 17 and 18.   It makes me seethe every time I think about it.
> It's usurous!  It's putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind.
> It's immoral, and it's purely mean, selfish and thoughtless.   VFO will
> continue the policy because they can and because now that they have
> what they think is a monopoly, they can charge whatever they please.
> Well, if enough people go to NVDA or Narrator or Dolphin Systems, maybe
> they'll get the message that we, the blind, do not appreciate being
> takenadvantage of by a big company.
>
> Ann P.
>
> Original message:
>> A friend just paid for an upgrade from JAWS 15 to 18 & he had to wait
>> for the code to arrive in the mail.
>
>> You got a great deal on your upgrade. My friend dropped over $300 for
>> the upgrades.
>
>> Donna
>
>>> A just-new purchaser of JAWS wouldn't yet have a serial number.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> Portal Tutoring
> ** New EMAIL:  akp@...
> web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
> Skype: Putertutor
>
> "All that is gold does not glitter,
> Not all those who wander are lost."
>
>
>
>


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