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Walter Ramage

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>

#88677

Hi,

Are you perhaps using numpad up or down arrows? If you do, they will do completely different things. To perform say all and read current line, you must use regular arrow keys.

Cheers,

Joseph

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter Ramage via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 1:08 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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Dave

#88678

Walter,

When using NVDA, I have found that NVDA will stop Reading to End, if there are two blank lines between sentences or paragraphs.

There is a way to turn off NVDA from saying Blank Line.

Press the Insert Key along with the letter N, and look around in the Settings for this switch.

Grumpy Dave

Walter Ramage

#88679

Hi Yes, I was using the normal arrow keys, I never use the numpad. Walter.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:12
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi,

Are you perhaps using numpad up or down arrows? If you do, they will do completely different things. To perform say all and read current line, you must use regular arrow keys.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Walter Ramage

#88680

Hi Dave. I've went through the settings but couldn't find anything that was
obvious to make the change.  Walter.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:26
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Walter,

When using NVDA, I have found that NVDA will stop Reading to End, if 
there are two blank lines between sentences or paragraphs.

There is a way to turn off NVDA from saying Blank Line.

Press the Insert Key along with the letter N, and look around in the 
Settings for this switch.

Grumpy Dave

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Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>

#88682

Hi all,
Suppressing blank lines option doesn't exist in NVDA, although some
developers offered possible solutions in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter
Ramage via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Dave. I've went through the settings but couldn't find anything that was
obvious to make the change.  Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:26
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Walter,

When using NVDA, I have found that NVDA will stop Reading to End, if there
are two blank lines between sentences or paragraphs.

There is a way to turn off NVDA from saying Blank Line.

Press the Insert Key along with the letter N, and look around in the 
Settings for this switch.

Grumpy Dave

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Walter Ramage

#88684

Hi  That's very disappointing.  To read a largish document and to hear blank
spoken over and over again would be most irritating.  Walter.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:51
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi all,
Suppressing blank lines option doesn't exist in NVDA, although some
developers offered possible solutions in the past.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walter
Ramage via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Dave. I've went through the settings but couldn't find anything that was
obvious to make the change.  Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:26
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Walter,

When using NVDA, I have found that NVDA will stop Reading to End, if there
are two blank lines between sentences or paragraphs.

There is a way to turn off NVDA from saying Blank Line.

Press the Insert Key along with the letter N, and look around in the 
Settings for this switch.

Grumpy Dave

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Gene

#88685

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

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----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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Gene

#88686

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

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From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:43 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Quentin Christensen

#88690

Hi Walter,

There are a couple of options for keystrokes depending on how you have NVDA setup. So first:

- You can have INSERT (either the numpad 0 or the extended insert) or CAPS LOCK (or all three) set as your NVDA modifier key. Note if you use the numpad insert, you need to have numlock OFF for it to work.

- You can use "Desktop keyboard layout" or "Laptop keyboard layout". Desktop layout assumes you have a number pad which can be used for NVDA commands. Laptop keyboard layout reassigns those commands to other keys and so ends up remapping quite a lot of keystrokes.

So, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow in desktop layout, or NVDA+L in laptop layout.

To read from the current point onwards in NVDA+down arrow in desktop layout or NVDA+A in laptop layout.

As previously noted, the arrows in this case are the dedicated arrow keys (often found in set out in an upside down T shape) not the number pad.

Also another thing you will likely be interested in, is the guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA, which you can find here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

Kind regards

Quentin.

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

----- Oribginal Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:43 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Ron Canazzi

#88694

Hi Walter,

When I press the normal insert + keyboard down arrow, I do get a continuous read feature (JAWS read to end.) As someone else mentioned, in long documents with multiple blank lines, NVDA sometimes quits reading. I do get the proper behavior other than that caveat.

I am wondering if you have the latest NVDA.

On 4/15/2020 4:07 PM, Walter Ramage via groups.io wrote:

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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Walter Ramage

#88699

Hi Ron. I went to "check for updates" and it said there were none available so I assume I do have the latest version. When I raised this issue I found the email I was reading would only read current line when I pressed insert/up arrow and the same when I did insert/down arrow. However when I created a notepad document and wrote a few lines (with blank lines) I found it did read the full thing when I pressed insert/down arrow. I then found a different email and it read correctly too so I can only conclude the problem I had with the first email was the sender must have done something to cause the issue. Walter.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: 16 April 2020 03:03
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

On 4/15/2020 4:07 PM, Walter Ramage via groups.io wrote:

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Error! Filename not specified.

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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Walter Ramage

#88700

Hi. I am using desktop layout and the numpad lock is off. Things are looking a little better since I've had help from this list. It has confirmed things I suspected and informed me of things I was unaware of.

One thing I'm not sure of is reading by word. In Jaws insert/right arrow will read forward word by word and insert/left arrow will read word by word backwards. just pressing left arrow will move forward character by character and left arrow the same but backwards.

In NVDA I can move forward or back character by character by pressing the left or right arrows but I can't read word by word by pressing insert/left or right arrow. I'm not sure if NNVDA does this. I've pressed insert/right arrow or left arrow but nothing is spoken. Is this feature absent from NVDA? If NVDA does have this feature then where do I go to find it. I don't want to spend a long frustrating period of time looking for a feature that doesn't exist. With thanks. Walter.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 16 April 2020 00:36
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Walter,

There are a couple of options for keystrokes depending on how you have NVDA setup. So first:

So, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow in desktop layout, or NVDA+L in laptop layout.

To read from the current point onwards in NVDA+down arrow in desktop layout or NVDA+A in laptop layout.

As previously noted, the arrows in this case are the dedicated arrow keys (often found in set out in an upside down T shape) not the number pad.

Also another thing you will likely be interested in, is the guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA, which you can find here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

----- Oribginal Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:43 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Error! Filename not specified.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Walter Ramage

#88701

Hi. Yes, I am using the desktop layout. When I launch NVDA then I have the option in the dialogue to use the caps lock as the NVDA key but I haven't done that yet. Walter.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 April 2020 23:44
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Quentin Christensen

#88702

Hi Walter,

NVDA doesn't have a command to read by word - purely because Windows already provides that functionality. Press CONTROL+LEFT ARROW to go back one word and CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW to go forward one word. Does Jaws have other commands for navigating through text like that? I can update our guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA to ensure that is covered. For what it's worth, these are all standard Windows commands:

LEFT / RIGHT ARROW - move back or forward by one character

UP / DOWN ARROW - move up or down by one line

HOME - move to the start of the current line

END - move to the end of the current line

CONTROL+LEFT ARROW / CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW - move back or forward by one word

CONTROL+UP ARROW / CONTROL+DOWN ARROW - Move up or down by paragraph (that doesn't work everywhere, and note that many programs treat any time you press ENTER as a paragraph).

PAGE UP / PAGE DOWN - move up or down by one screen worth of information

CONTROL+PAGE UP / CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move up or down by one page (in programs like Word which define a page)

CONTROL+HOME - move to the top or start of a document

CONTROL+END - move to the bottom or end of a document

The handy thing is you can hold SHIFT while pressing any of those and it will select text as well while it moves.

Regards

Quentin.

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:56 PM Walter Ramage via groups.io <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi. I am using desktop layout and the numpad lock is off. Things are looking a little better since I've had help from this list. It has confirmed things I suspected and informed me of things I was unaware of.

One thing I'm not sure of is reading by word. In Jaws insert/right arrow will read forward word by word and insert/left arrow will read word by word backwards. just pressing left arrow will move forward character by character and left arrow the same but backwards.

In NVDA I can move forward or back character by character by pressing the left or right arrows but I can't read word by word by pressing insert/left or right arrow. I'm not sure if NNVDA does this. I've pressed insert/right arrow or left arrow but nothing is spoken. Is this feature absent from NVDA? If NVDA does have this feature then where do I go to find it. I don't want to spend a long frustrating period of time looking for a feature that doesn't exist. With thanks. Walter.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 16 April 2020 00:36
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Walter,

There are a couple of options for keystrokes depending on how you have NVDA setup. So first:

- You can have INSERT (either the numpad 0 or the extended insert) or CAPS LOCK (or all three) set as your NVDA modifier key. Note if you use the numpad insert, you need to have numlock OFF for it to work.

- You can use "Desktop keyboard layout" or "Laptop keyboard layout". Desktop layout assumes you have a number pad which can be used for NVDA commands. Laptop keyboard layout reassigns those commands to other keys and so ends up remapping quite a lot of keystrokes.

So, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow in desktop layout, or NVDA+L in laptop layout.

To read from the current point onwards in NVDA+down arrow in desktop layout or NVDA+A in laptop layout.

As previously noted, the arrows in this case are the dedicated arrow keys (often found in set out in an upside down T shape) not the number pad.

Also another thing you will likely be interested in, is the guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA, which you can find here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

----- Oribginal Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:43 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

Error! Filename not specified.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Quentin Christensen

#88703

One more I meant to add, and this one is an NVDA command (even though it doesn't use the NVDA key): alt+up arrow and alt+down arrow move back or forward by sentence - that only works in a few programs which support it, like Word and Outlook.

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On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:22 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Walter,

NVDA doesn't have a command to read by word - purely because Windows already provides that functionality. Press CONTROL+LEFT ARROW to go back one word and CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW to go forward one word. Does Jaws have other commands for navigating through text like that? I can update our guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA to ensure that is covered. For what it's worth, these are all standard Windows commands:

LEFT / RIGHT ARROW - move back or forward by one character
UP / DOWN ARROW - move up or down by one line
HOME - move to the start of the current line
END - move to the end of the current line
CONTROL+LEFT ARROW / CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW - move back or forward by one word
CONTROL+UP ARROW / CONTROL+DOWN ARROW - Move up or down by paragraph (that doesn't work everywhere, and note that many programs treat any time you press ENTER as a paragraph).
PAGE UP / PAGE DOWN - move up or down by one screen worth of information
CONTROL+PAGE UP / CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move up or down by one page (in programs like Word which define a page)
CONTROL+HOME - move to the top or start of a document
CONTROL+END - move to the bottom or end of a document

The handy thing is you can hold SHIFT while pressing any of those and it will select text as well while it moves.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:56 PM Walter Ramage via groups.io <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi. I am using desktop layout and the numpad lock is off. Things are looking a little better since I've had help from this list. It has confirmed things I suspected and informed me of things I was unaware of.

One thing I'm not sure of is reading by word. In Jaws insert/right arrow will read forward word by word and insert/left arrow will read word by word backwards. just pressing left arrow will move forward character by character and left arrow the same but backwards.

In NVDA I can move forward or back character by character by pressing the left or right arrows but I can't read word by word by pressing insert/left or right arrow. I'm not sure if NNVDA does this. I've pressed insert/right arrow or left arrow but nothing is spoken. Is this feature absent from NVDA? If NVDA does have this feature then where do I go to find it. I don't want to spend a long frustrating period of time looking for a feature that doesn't exist. With thanks. Walter.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 16 April 2020 00:36
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Walter,

There are a couple of options for keystrokes depending on how you have NVDA setup. So first:

- You can have INSERT (either the numpad 0 or the extended insert) or CAPS LOCK (or all three) set as your NVDA modifier key. Note if you use the numpad insert, you need to have numlock OFF for it to work.

- You can use "Desktop keyboard layout" or "Laptop keyboard layout". Desktop layout assumes you have a number pad which can be used for NVDA commands. Laptop keyboard layout reassigns those commands to other keys and so ends up remapping quite a lot of keystrokes.

So, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow in desktop layout, or NVDA+L in laptop layout.

To read from the current point onwards in NVDA+down arrow in desktop layout or NVDA+A in laptop layout.

As previously noted, the arrows in this case are the dedicated arrow keys (often found in set out in an upside down T shape) not the number pad.

Also another thing you will likely be interested in, is the guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA, which you can find here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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Gene

#88707

I inadvertently overwrote the subject line.  Here is my message in the
correct thread.

My webmail program, which I use off and on, sent my message when it
wasn't supposed to.  Here is what I was attempting to say.

Its worth noting, however, that there are screen review commands for
read current line, word, and character, as well as previous and next.

I can't comment on them in the laptop layout, I don't use it.  I often
find it more convenient to use these commands than move around in a
document or elsewhere and there are times you can't move around, to
read a line or look at words or characters individually using Windows
commands such as in a list or tree view.

By default, you are in object navigation, where you must be for these
commands to synchronize with whare you are working.
Read current line, numpad 8, not numpad NVDA key 8.
Read current word, numpad five.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Next in all cases is the numpad key to the right on the row you are
in, such as numpad 9 for next line, etc.
Previous is the key to the left of the current key, such as numpad 7
for read previous line.

Gene

Show quoted text

On 4/16/20, Walter Ramage via groups.io <wpr@...> wrote:
Hi.  Yes, I am using the desktop layout.  When I launch NVDA then I have the
option in the dialogue to use the caps lock as the NVDA key but I haven't
done that yet.  Walter.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 15 April 2020 23:44
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow.  NVDA reserves the numpad for screen
review.  Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout.  If you changed it,
let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key.  If you do, you
will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the
desktop layout.  I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to
end.  If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us
know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io <mailto:wpr@...>

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks.  I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little
bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with
something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow.  To read all,
insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line,
insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the
announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down
arrow reads all and every blank line is silent.  Help appreciated, thank
you.  Walter.

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#88708

Hi. Thank you, that is very helpful. One feature Jaws has is to echo character or words or character & words or none. It is a toggle and that command is insert +#2, that's #2 on the number row. When set to none there is no keyboard echo as you type. When set to character then you of course get the Character echo as you type. When set to word you get no character echo until you press space after your word then the word you have just typed is repeated.

When set to character & word you get the keyboard echo for the character and when you press space you also get the word you have just typed. I have mine set to character only. I don't know if NVDA has an equivalent but for me it doesn't really matter as I'm happy with character echo only. Walter.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 16 April 2020 12:22
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Walter,

5NVDA doesn't have a command to read by word - purely because Windows already provides that functionality. Press CONTROL+LEFT ARROW to go back one word and CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW to go forward one word. Does Jaws have other commands for navigating through text like that? I can update our guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA to ensure that is covered. For what it's worth, these are all standard Windows commands:

LEFT / RIGHT ARROW - move back or forward by one character

UP / DOWN ARROW - move up or down by one line

HOME - move to the start of the current line

END - move to the end of the current line

CONTROL+LEFT ARROW / CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW - move back or forward by one word

CONTROL+UP ARROW / CONTROL+DOWN ARROW - Move up or down by paragraph (that doesn't work everywhere, and note that many programs treat any time you press ENTER as a paragraph).

PAGE UP / PAGE DOWN - move up or down by one screen worth of information

CONTROL+PAGE UP / CONTROL+PAGE DOWN move up or down by one page (in programs like Word which define a page)

CONTROL+HOME - move to the top or start of a document

CONTROL+END - move to the bottom or end of a document

The handy thing is you can hold SHIFT while pressing any of those and it will select text as well while it moves.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:56 PM Walter Ramage via groups.io <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi. I am using desktop layout and the numpad lock is off. Things are looking a little better since I've had help from this list. It has confirmed things I suspected and informed me of things I was unaware of.

One thing I'm not sure of is reading by word. In Jaws insert/right arrow will read forward word by word and insert/left arrow will read word by word backwards. just pressing left arrow will move forward character by character and left arrow the same but backwards.

In NVDA I can move forward or back character by character by pressing the left or right arrows but I can't read word by word by pressing insert/left or right arrow. I'm not sure if NNVDA does this. I've pressed insert/right arrow or left arrow but nothing is spoken. Is this feature absent from NVDA? If NVDA does have this feature then where do I go to find it. I don't want to spend a long frustrating period of time looking for a feature that doesn't exist. With thanks. Walter.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 16 April 2020 00:36
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Walter,

There are a couple of options for keystrokes depending on how you have NVDA setup. So first:

- You can have INSERT (either the numpad 0 or the extended insert) or CAPS LOCK (or all three) set as your NVDA modifier key. Note if you use the numpad insert, you need to have numlock OFF for it to work.

- You can use "Desktop keyboard layout" or "Laptop keyboard layout". Desktop layout assumes you have a number pad which can be used for NVDA commands. Laptop keyboard layout reassigns those commands to other keys and so ends up remapping quite a lot of keystrokes.

So, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow in desktop layout, or NVDA+L in laptop layout.

To read from the current point onwards in NVDA+down arrow in desktop layout or NVDA+A in laptop layout.

As previously noted, the arrows in this case are the dedicated arrow keys (often found in set out in an upside down T shape) not the number pad.

Also another thing you will likely be interested in, is the guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA, which you can find here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

----- Oribginal Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:43 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Walter Ramage

#88711

Hi.  Thanks.  I'll keep those commands.  I've been using a computer and Jaws since 2003 and have never used the numpad in any serious way but there might come the day when I will have to.  Walter.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 April 2020 12:59
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

I inadvertently overwrote the subject line.  Here is my message in the
correct thread.

My webmail program, which I use off and on, sent my message when it
wasn't supposed to.  Here is what I was attempting to say.

Its worth noting, however, that there are screen review commands for
read current line, word, and character, as well as previous and next.

I can't comment on them in the laptop layout, I don't use it.  I often
find it more convenient to use these commands than move around in a
document or elsewhere and there are times you can't move around, to
read a line or look at words or characters individually using Windows
commands such as in a list or tree view.

By default, you are in object navigation, where you must be for these
commands to synchronize with whare you are working.
Read current line, numpad 8, not numpad NVDA key 8.
Read current word, numpad five.
Read current character, numpad 2.
Next in all cases is the numpad key to the right on the row you are
in, such as numpad 9 for next line, etc.
Previous is the key to the left of the current key, such as numpad 7
for read previous line.

Gene

On 4/16/20, Walter Ramage via groups.io <wpr@...> wrote:
Hi.  Yes, I am using the desktop layout.  When I launch NVDA then I have the
option in the dialogue to use the caps lock as the NVDA key but I haven't
done that yet.  Walter.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 15 April 2020 23:44
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow.  NVDA reserves the numpad for screen
review.  Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout.  If you changed it,
let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key.  If you do, you
will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the
desktop layout.  I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to
end.  If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us
know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io <mailto:wpr@...>

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks.  I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little
bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with
something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow.  To read all,
insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line,
insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the
announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down
arrow reads all and every blank line is silent.  Help appreciated, thank
you.  Walter.

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#88712

Hi Walter,

With the application cursor, just press control + left or right arrow to rread by word. NVDA will voice the highlighted word. Also, if you route review cursor to application cursor, you can use the numpad keys to move by line top row 7, 8,9, by word middle row, 4, 5, 6, and by character bottom row, 1, 2, 3.

On 4/16/2020 5:56 AM, Walter Ramage via groups.io wrote:

Hi. I am using desktop layout and the numpad lock is off. Things are looking a little better since I've had help from this list. It has confirmed things I suspected and informed me of things I was unaware of.

One thing I'm not sure of is reading by word. In Jaws insert/right arrow will read forward word by word and insert/left arrow will read word by word backwards. just pressing left arrow will move forward character by character and left arrow the same but backwards.

In NVDA I can move forward or back character by character by pressing the left or right arrows but I can't read word by word by pressing insert/left or right arrow. I'm not sure if NNVDA does this. I've pressed insert/right arrow or left arrow but nothing is spoken. Is this feature absent from NVDA? If NVDA does have this feature then where do I go to find it. I don't want to spend a long frustrating period of time looking for a feature that doesn't exist. With thanks. Walter.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 16 April 2020 00:36
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi Walter,

There are a couple of options for keystrokes depending on how you have NVDA setup. So first:

- You can have INSERT (either the numpad 0 or the extended insert) or CAPS LOCK (or all three) set as your NVDA modifier key. Note if you use the numpad insert, you need to have numlock OFF for it to work.

- You can use "Desktop keyboard layout" or "Laptop keyboard layout". Desktop layout assumes you have a number pad which can be used for NVDA commands. Laptop keyboard layout reassigns those commands to other keys and so ends up remapping quite a lot of keystrokes.

So, to read the current line is NVDA+up arrow in desktop layout, or NVDA+L in laptop layout.

To read from the current point onwards in NVDA+down arrow in desktop layout or NVDA+A in laptop layout.

As previously noted, the arrows in this case are the dedicated arrow keys (often found in set out in an upside down T shape) not the number pad.

Also another thing you will likely be interested in, is the guide to switching from Jaws to NVDA, which you can find here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you use read to end, blank lines won’t be announced.

Gene

----- Oribginal Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 5:43 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

You can’t use insert numpad down arrow. NVDA reserves the numpad for screen review. Use insert with the main keyboard down arrow.

I’m assuming you are using the default desktop layout. If you changed it, let us know.

Also, you can have the caps lock function as an NVDA key. If you do, you will have insert and caps lock function as NVDA keys if you are using the desktop layout. I don’t use the laptop layout and I’m not sure.

But I find it much mpore pleasant to use caps lock down arrow for read to end. If you want to know how to make the caps lock key an NVDA key, let us know.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Walter Ramage via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:07 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA, read current line and read all

Hi folks. I've decided to dip my toe in the NVDA world but only a little bit at the moment but before I submerge my big toe I'd like some help with something.

In Jaws to read the current line I press insert plus up arrow. To read all, insert and down arrow.

Now I tried the same in NVDA but although insert up arrow read current line, insert down arrow also read current line, it didn't read all.

I got more if I scrolled down but NVDA repeated every blank line with the announcement "blank."

How can I correct this so insert up arrow reads current line, insert down arrow reads all and every blank line is silent. Help appreciated, thank you. Walter.

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