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Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner
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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
I don't generally subscribe initially using the individual message option because I use the web interface, but for each group I do generally turn this on so that I receive at least a few messages to see exactly what they look like.
The messages I've received from TechTalk are in plain text format, which is not the default for Groups.io, and are also missing a number of the standard footer links that should be there whether the format is plain text or HTML, the most important of which given recent conversations is the "Reply to Sender" link, which is entirely absent. I've never seen this happen before, and I'll check to see if it is happening on other groups by turning on individual message delivery for them for a short while. So you're not insane if you're not seeing the Reply to Sender link, because it's not there, and I'm not insane thinking that it should be there, because in every other case I've ever dealt with, it is. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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Gene
I'm not sure what the problem is. I checcked a message from the NVDA list and I found the same thing. there is no reply to member link. To me, going through messages with a screen-reader, it appears to me as though they are HTML messages and I'm curious how you know they are text. Is it the lack of formatting or images?
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I'll probably write to support about this but, since I've seen this on two lists, I suspect it is a general problem. Gene
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:19 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner I don't generally subscribe initially using the individual message option because I use the web interface, but for each group I do generally turn this on so that I receive at least a few messages to see exactly what they look like. The messages I've received from TechTalk are in plain text format, which is not the default for Groups.io, and are also missing a number of the standard footer links that should be there whether the format is plain text or HTML, the most important of which given recent conversations is the "Reply to Sender" link, which is entirely absent. I've never seen this happen before, and I'll check to see if it is happening on other groups by turning on individual message delivery for them for a short while. So you're not insane if you're not seeing the Reply to Sender link, because it's not there, and I'm not insane thinking that it should be there, because in every other case I've ever dealt with, it is. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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Gene
I just checked the Blindtech list and that list does have the reply to sender button. Its odd that some lists have it and some don't.
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I'll ask support about it. Gene
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From: Gene Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:46 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner I'm not sure what the problem is. I checcked a message from the NVDA list and I found the same thing. there is no reply to member link. To me, going through messages with a screen-reader, it appears to me as though they are HTML messages and I'm curious how you know they are text. Is it the lack of formatting or images? I'll probably write to support about this but, since I've seen this on two lists, I suspect it is a general problem. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:19 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner I don't generally subscribe initially using the individual message option because I use the web interface, but for each group I do generally turn this on so that I receive at least a few messages to see exactly what they look like. The messages I've received from TechTalk are in plain text format, which is not the default for Groups.io, and are also missing a number of the standard footer links that should be there whether the format is plain text or HTML, the most important of which given recent conversations is the "Reply to Sender" link, which is entirely absent. I've never seen this happen before, and I'll check to see if it is happening on other groups by turning on individual message delivery for them for a short while. So you're not insane if you're not seeing the Reply to Sender link, because it's not there, and I'm not insane thinking that it should be there, because in every other case I've ever dealt with, it is. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Gene,
I've also checked NVDA messages, and the Reply to Sender link is indeed there in those that are coming to me. The way I can tell whether something is in HTML format versus plain text is the way in which those links that are part of the "standard group" are presented. For example, in one of the messages from TechTalk, this is how the two "standard group" links that are appearing are shown: ---- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#92328): https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/m Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76438939/ ----- Note that view/reply and mute etc are standalone labels that precede the links themselves. That tells me instantly that the message was sent out in plain text format, as click-through text cannot be used in that case. Contrast that with what is at the bottom of the NVDA group messages: ------ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#76748) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic ------The entirety of the "standard cluster" is present and none are in label-link format, but are presented as with click-through text for their respective functions. You never see the raw link in the message body itself when HTML format is being used. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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Gene
I see your point. The NVDA links aren't written out as links. Whatever the technical term is, they have text labels.
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Gene
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:54 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner Gene, I've also checked NVDA messages, and the Reply to Sender link is indeed there in those that are coming to me. The way I can tell whether something is in HTML format versus plain text is the way in which those links that are part of the "standard group" are presented. For example, in one of the messages from TechTalk, this is how the two "standard group" links that are appearing are shown: ---- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#92328): https://TechTalk.groups.io/g/main/message/92328 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76438939/24134 ----- Note that view/reply and mute etc are standalone labels that precede the links themselves. That tells me instantly that the message was sent out in plain text format, as click-through text cannot be used in that case. Contrast that with what is at the bottom of the NVDA group messages: ------ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#76748) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic ------ The entirety of the "standard cluster" is present and none are in label-link format, but are presented as with click-through text for their respective functions. You never see the raw link in the message body itself when HTML format is being used. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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Laz
Hi Gene,
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Carlos most likely set this list up to be in plain text most likely due to considerations about blind people reading the messages with screen readers. He also apparently set it up so that all replies go to the list and most likely checked thecheckmark which removes other reply options which is the likely reason for the reply to sender option not appearing. I hope that helps. Stay well, Laz
On 8/27/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure what the problem is. I checcked a message from the NVDA list --
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Player/book Reader, Victor Reader Stream & Trek, blindshell Classic phone, Bluetooth devices, and accessories http://www.talkingmp3players.com/ Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com Phone: 727-498-0121 Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr
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Gene
I'll see what I can find in list settings.
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Gene
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From: Laz Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:43 AM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner Hi Gene, Carlos most likely set this list up to be in plain text most likely due to considerations about blind people reading the messages with screen readers. He also apparently set it up so that all replies go to the list and most likely checked thecheckmark which removes other reply options which is the likely reason for the reply to sender option not appearing. I hope that helps. Stay well, Laz On 8/27/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote: I'm not sure what the problem is. I checcked a message from the NVDA list -- Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Player/book Reader, Victor Reader Stream & Trek, blindshell Classic phone, Bluetooth devices, and accessories http://www.talkingmp3players.com/ Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com Phone: 727-498-0121 Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr
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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Just to be clear, the issue is not with the fact that the messages are in plain text, but with the fact that, as currently formatted, an essential mechanism for starting off-list communication with the sender of any given message is missing if you're an e-mail only participant. The same limitation is not in place if you use the web interface.
At the very least, the Reply to Sender link needs to be restored, otherwise it's a nightmare to try to establish a private exchange off-list, which people frequently do if my inbox is any indication. Most other groups related to screen readers and blind/low-vision technology are using the default Groups.io HTML format, which is simple to use as is even for a screen reader user, with the standard collection of links in the footer, but with click-through text indicating the function of each. But, again, it's not the formatting that's the big issue here. If Reply to Sender were present in label/link format, as a mailto link, that would be just fine. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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Carolyn Arnold
I think it is a groups.io problem. But, as Brian has said, we can go down to Reply to Sender and copy the sender's address; that did work.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:47 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner I'm not sure what the problem is. I checcked a message from the NVDA list and I found the same thing. there is no reply to member link. To me, going through messages with a screen-reader, it appears to me as though they are HTML messages and I'm curious how you know they are text. Is it the lack of formatting or images? I'll probably write to support about this but, since I've seen this on two lists, I suspect it is a general problem. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:19 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: [TechTalk] Oddity with TechTalk message format - Reported to Group Owner I don't generally subscribe initially using the individual message option because I use the web interface, but for each group I do generally turn this on so that I receive at least a few messages to see exactly what they look like. The messages I've received from TechTalk are in plain text format, which is not the default for Groups.io, and are also missing a number of the standard footer links that should be there whether the format is plain text or HTML, the most important of which given recent conversations is the "Reply to Sender" link, which is entirely absent. I've never seen this happen before, and I'll check to see if it is happening on other groups by turning on individual message delivery for them for a short while. So you're not insane if you're not seeing the Reply to Sender link, because it's not there, and I'm not insane thinking that it should be there, because in every other case I've ever dealt with, it is. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on. ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com
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