thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration


David Mehler
 

Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.


Shelly Kane
 

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a little for me.  When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before the subject.  I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then it seems to be fine.  Is there any way to get rid of this?  I have also noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab and it never did before.  It seems to have these added things that aren't necessary.  Do any of you know if there will be another update to correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it?  Thanks in advance for any help on this matter.  I'm currently using the newest Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.




Gene
 

I don't use JAWS. I don't hear control w with NVDA. As far as the extra field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address and tab once. If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a problem with JAWS. The field says something like one address, left arrow to select. The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address in the field until you tab once. You are now in the field with the address and you can work with it there. When you tab again, you are in the subject line. This won't change. It's just a different way of presenting the to line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me. When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject. I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine. Is there any way to get rid of this? I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before. It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary. Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter. I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.





Gene
 

When you are in the field, you hear something like left arrow to select, enter to edit, delete to delete. If you select an address and want to add another, right arrow and you will be in the edit area, where you started. You can write an address or use autocomplete. Press enter to add the address.
You are working with a structure where the addresses are presented iin a row running right and left on the screen rather than in a list that goes up and down. Movement follows form. In this case, you left and right arrow, rather than move up and down.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 5:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

I don't use JAWS. I don't hear control w with NVDA. As far as the extra
field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address
and tab once. If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a
problem with JAWS. The field says something like one address, left arrow to
select. The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address
in the field until you tab once. You are now in the field with the address
and you can work with it there. When you tab again, you are in the subject
line. This won't change. It's just a different way of presenting the to
line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me. When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject. I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine. Is there any way to get rid of this? I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before. It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary. Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter. I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.





David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Shelly,
In Thunderbird when you tab from the to: field you are probably hearing something like
To with one address, use left arrow key to focus on it. Edit
This is somewhat new with Thunderbird and I believe this was introduced with releases starting with version 78.
Essentially, when you hear this you can press left arrow to move to a block of text containing the address that you entered. If you added more than one address pressing left arrow will not move character by character as it usually does but it will move from one email address to the next, similar to how Outlook behaves. Pressing the delete key will remove the address which you are focused on. Pressing enter will allow you to edit that address, allowing left and right arrow keys to move from one character to the next.
The prompt you are hearing in the spell checker which says "alt w" is JAWS reminding you that pressing alt-W moves to the edit field where you can edit the currently suggested word. If this annoys you this prompt can be turned off by going to the JAWS window, opening the Basics menu and setting "speak access keys" to the "off" option. Unfortunately, this is a global setting and doing this means that JAWS would then stop speaking these hotkeys or access keys in all applications, which you may or may not want.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/7/2020 5:07 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a little for me.  When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before the subject.  I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then it seems to be fine.  Is there any way to get rid of this?  I have also noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab and it never did before.  It seems to have these added things that aren't necessary.  Do any of you know if there will be another update to correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it?  Thanks in advance for any help on this matter.  I'm currently using the newest Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.







Geoff Eden
 

Hello, this upgrade has confused me. The portable version works perfectly from a thumb drive, but when working from an installation on my hard drive the opening screen is like nothing I have ever seen. I have tried the JAWS cursor, the touch cursor, etc., and there's nothing there. I have even tried the OCR function on that screen and nothing makes sense.


I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but I have no idea what it might be.


I had even installed a working version on a thumb drive and copied the whole thing to my C drive and got the results described above.


I am running windows 10 in an ice seven Dell desktop with eight gigs of RAM using JAWS 18. Any help would be very much appreciated.


Geoff

On 12/5/2020 1:14 PM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.




Gene
 

I use the portable version so I can't comment on how the installed version might work. You can always copy the thumb drive portable version to the hard drive and use that. I think it’s a better idea to use the portable version even if they both work well. If something goes wrong with the copy on your machine, you can replace it with a backup and not worry about troubleshooting.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Eden
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 8:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hello, this upgrade has confused me. The portable version works
perfectly from a thumb drive, but when working from an installation on
my hard drive the opening screen is like nothing I have ever seen. I
have tried the JAWS cursor, the touch cursor, etc., and there's nothing
there. I have even tried the OCR function on that screen and nothing
makes sense.


I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but I have no idea what it might be.


I had even installed a working version on a thumb drive and copied the
whole thing to my C drive and got the results described above.


I am running windows 10 in an ice seven Dell desktop with eight gigs of
RAM using JAWS 18. Any help would be very much appreciated.


Geoff




On 12/5/2020 1:14 PM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.





Shelly Kane
 

Gene:


That's exactly what the field says.  I just forgot until you said it.  It would have to show up for me to be able to tell you but I know that's what it says.  So basically, I can do everything I'm doing without using that field?  Is that right?  I wouldn't  even know what to do with it when I was there because I already put the address in and I wouldn't need to do it again there.  It just seems pointless to add it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use JAWS.  I don't hear control w with NVDA.  As far as the extra field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address and tab once.  If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a problem with JAWS.  The field says something like one address, left arrow to select.  The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address in the field until you tab once.  You are now in the field with the address and you can work with it there.  When you tab again, you are in the subject line.  This won't change.  It's just a different way of presenting the to line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me.  When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject.  I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine.  Is there any way to get rid of this?  I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before.  It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary.  Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it?  Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter.  I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.











.


Shelly Kane
 

David:


Thank you for letting me know what all this means.  I am just going to do things the way I have been doing them.  I don't usually send out mass mailings.  It's usually to one person so I won't need this extra field but thanks again for explaining it. As for the Jaws hot keys, I won't be turning that off.  I will just deal with it.  Sometimes, I like that to be announced.  At least I have a better understand of what's going on with the new update.  So glad that I can post on this list and get answers.  I would be lost without it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:57 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Shelly,
In Thunderbird when you tab from the to: field you are probably hearing something like
To with one address, use left arrow key to focus on it. Edit
This is somewhat new with Thunderbird and I believe this was introduced with releases starting with version 78.
Essentially, when you hear this you can press left arrow to move to a block of text containing the address that you entered. If you added more than one address pressing left arrow will not move character by character as it usually does but it will move from one email address to the next, similar to how Outlook behaves. Pressing the delete key will remove the address which you are focused on. Pressing enter will allow you to edit that address, allowing left and right arrow keys to move from one character to the next.
The prompt you are hearing in the spell checker which says "alt w" is JAWS reminding you that pressing alt-W moves to the edit field where you can edit the currently suggested word. If this annoys you this prompt can be turned off by going to the JAWS window, opening the Basics menu and setting "speak access keys" to the "off" option. Unfortunately, this is a global setting and doing this means that JAWS would then stop speaking these hotkeys or access keys in all applications, which you may or may not want.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/7/2020 5:07 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a little for me.  When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before the subject.  I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then it seems to be fine.  Is there any way to get rid of this?  I have also noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab and it never did before.  It seems to have these added things that aren't necessary.  Do any of you know if there will be another update to correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in advance for any help on this matter.  I'm currently using the newest Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.











Gene
 

If it helps you understand it, this isn't a mysterious field that is there for some reason. You are really working with the to line. When you first type an address and either tab or press enter, you are placed in the field. You may hear an announcement such as one, left arrow to select. You are still in an edit field where you can type another address, use autocomplete, etc. Add as many addresses as you want. Use autocomplete or type an address, then press enter. Continue until you have added all you want. In other words, for consistency, add the first address and press enter. You can press tab, but it isn't consistent with what you would tend to do and its easier to understanbd what you are doing.
Add first address and press enter. Adde second address, and press enter. Add as many as you like.
At any time after you first press enter, move to the left from the edit field you are in and continue left to hear and move to the addresses you have added.
If you want to add more, right arrow past the first address you addded. You will probably hear edit. That is where you add addresses so do exactly as you did before to add addresses.

Tab to the subject line when you are finished and want to add a subject. You can be in the edit field or on any address and tab, it doesn't matter.

In short, you are working with a variation on the to line.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Gene:


That's exactly what the field says. I just forgot until you said it.
It would have to show up for me to be able to tell you but I know that's
what it says. So basically, I can do everything I'm doing without using
that field? Is that right? I wouldn't even know what to do with it
when I was there because I already put the address in and I wouldn't
need to do it again there. It just seems pointless to add it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use JAWS. I don't hear control w with NVDA. As far as the extra field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address and tab once. If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a problem with JAWS. The field says something like one address, left arrow to select. The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address in the field until you tab once. You are now in the field with the address and you can work with it there. When you tab again, you are in the subject line. This won't change. It's just a different way of presenting the to line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me. When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject. I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine. Is there any way to get rid of this? I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before. It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary. Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter. I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.












.


Gene
 

I'll add that I see from a later post you made that you usually only write to one person. In that case, either add the address and press tab or enter. Either one tells the program that you have added an address and you will be in the to line. At first, when there is nothing there, you are just in an edit field. That is also the to line but there are no addresses so its just an edit field. When you add an address, the to line changes. You aren't placed in a new field, you are still in the to line, but since an address is now in the to line, the line changes and you hear what you hear as to instructions and you now can left arrow to get to the address if you want to edit or delete it. Sometimes, a field will change in some way when you place information in it if it is empty previously. That is what is happening here.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 2:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

If it helps you understand it, this isn't a mysterious field that is there
for some reason. You are really working with the to line. When you first
type an address and either tab or press enter, you are placed in the field.
You may hear an announcement such as one, left arrow to select. You are
still in an edit field where you can type another address, use autocomplete,
etc. Add as many addresses as you want. Use autocomplete or type an
address, then press enter. Continue until you have added all you want. In
other words, for consistency, add the first address and press enter. You
can press tab, but it isn't consistent with what you would tend to do and
its easier to understanbd what you are doing.
Add first address and press enter. Adde second address, and press enter.
Add as many as you like.
At any time after you first press enter, move to the left from the edit
field you are in and continue left to hear and move to the addresses you
have added.
If you want to add more, right arrow past the first address you addded. You
will probably hear edit. That is where you add addresses so do exactly as
you did before to add addresses.

Tab to the subject line when you are finished and want to add a subject.
You can be in the edit field or on any address and tab, it doesn't matter.

In short, you are working with a variation on the to line.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Gene:


That's exactly what the field says. I just forgot until you said it.
It would have to show up for me to be able to tell you but I know that's
what it says. So basically, I can do everything I'm doing without using
that field? Is that right? I wouldn't even know what to do with it
when I was there because I already put the address in and I wouldn't
need to do it again there. It just seems pointless to add it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use JAWS. I don't hear control w with NVDA. As far as the extra field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address and tab once. If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a problem with JAWS. The field says something like one address, left arrow to select. The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address in the field until you tab once. You are now in the field with the address and you can work with it there. When you tab again, you are in the subject line. This won't change. It's just a different way of presenting the to line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me. When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject. I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine. Is there any way to get rid of this? I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before. It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary. Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter. I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.












.


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I also have JAWS set to speak hotkeys or, as they are called, access keys within dialog boxes for exactly the reason you stated. It can be helpful to hear that a specific hotkey is associated with a certain control within a dialog box.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/8/2020 5:23 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
David:


Thank you for letting me know what all this means.  I am just going to do things the way I have been doing them.  I don't usually send out mass mailings.  It's usually to one person so I won't need this extra field but thanks again for explaining it. As for the Jaws hot keys, I won't be turning that off.  I will just deal with it.  Sometimes, I like that to be announced.  At least I have a better understand of what's going on with the new update. So glad that I can post on this list and get answers.  I would be lost without it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:57 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Shelly,
In Thunderbird when you tab from the to: field you are probably hearing something like
To with one address, use left arrow key to focus on it. Edit
This is somewhat new with Thunderbird and I believe this was introduced with releases starting with version 78.
Essentially, when you hear this you can press left arrow to move to a block of text containing the address that you entered. If you added more than one address pressing left arrow will not move character by character as it usually does but it will move from one email address to the next, similar to how Outlook behaves. Pressing the delete key will remove the address which you are focused on. Pressing enter will allow you to edit that address, allowing left and right arrow keys to move from one character to the next.
The prompt you are hearing in the spell checker which says "alt w" is JAWS reminding you that pressing alt-W moves to the edit field where you can edit the currently suggested word. If this annoys you this prompt can be turned off by going to the JAWS window, opening the Basics menu and setting "speak access keys" to the "off" option. Unfortunately, this is a global setting and doing this means that JAWS would then stop speaking these hotkeys or access keys in all applications, which you may or may not want.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C896f6ac45a784d99393308d89b522fd5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637430124576549974%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=zepBYip86dqcKSlPcgUUCi2vQhp4gD6Ro1TNiEJpVc4%3D&amp;reserved=0

On 12/7/2020 5:07 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a little for me.  When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before the subject.  I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then it seems to be fine.  Is there any way to get rid of this?  I have also noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab and it never did before.  It seems to have these added things that aren't necessary.  Do any of you know if there will be another update to correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in advance for any help on this matter.  I'm currently using the newest Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.














Shelly Kane
 

Gene:


Now I understand the concept.  Thank you so much for the explanation.

Shelly

On 12/8/2020 1:46 AM, Gene wrote:
If it helps  you understand it, this isn't a mysterious field that is there for some reason.  You are really working with the to line. When you first type an address and either tab or press enter, you are placed in the field. You may hear an announcement such as one, left arrow to select.  You are still in an edit field where you can type another address, use autocomplete, etc.  Add as many addresses as you want.  Use autocomplete or type an address, then press enter.  Continue until you have added all you want.  In other words, for consistency, add the first address and press enter.  You can press tab, but it isn't consistent with what you would tend to do and its easier to understanbd what you are doing.
Add first address and press enter.  Adde second address, and press enter. Add as many as you like.
At any time after you first press enter, move to the left from the edit field you are in and continue left to hear and move to the addresses you have added.
If you want to add more, right arrow past the first address you addded.  You will probably hear edit.  That is where you add addresses so do exactly as you did before to add addresses.

Tab to the subject line when you are finished and want to add a subject. You can be in the edit field or on any address and tab, it doesn't matter.

In short, you are working with a variation on the to line.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Gene:


That's exactly what the field says.  I just forgot until you said it.
It would have to show up for me to be able to tell you but I know that's
what it says.  So basically, I can do everything I'm doing without using
that field?  Is that right?  I wouldn't  even know what to do with it
when I was there because I already put the address in and I wouldn't
need to do it again there.  It just seems pointless to add it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use JAWS.  I don't hear control w with NVDA.  As far as the extra field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address and tab once.  If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a problem with JAWS.  The field says something like one address, left arrow to select.  The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address in the field until you tab once. You are now in the field with the address and you can work with it there.  When you tab again, you are in the subject line. This won't change.  It's just a different way of presenting the to line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me.  When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject.  I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine.  Is there any way to get rid of this?  I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before.  It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary.  Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter.  I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.












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Gene
 

That's good. It may help you understand something else in future as well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 4:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Gene:


Now I understand the concept. Thank you so much for the explanation.

Shelly

On 12/8/2020 1:46 AM, Gene wrote:
If it helps you understand it, this isn't a mysterious field that is there for some reason. You are really working with the to line. When you first type an address and either tab or press enter, you are placed in the field. You may hear an announcement such as one, left arrow to select. You are still in an edit field where you can type another address, use autocomplete, etc. Add as many addresses as you want. Use autocomplete or type an address, then press enter. Continue until you have added all you want. In other words, for consistency, add the first address and press enter. You can press tab, but it isn't consistent with what you would tend to do and its easier to understanbd what you are doing.
Add first address and press enter. Adde second address, and press enter. Add as many as you like.
At any time after you first press enter, move to the left from the edit field you are in and continue left to hear and move to the addresses you have added.
If you want to add more, right arrow past the first address you addded. You will probably hear edit. That is where you add addresses so do exactly as you did before to add addresses.

Tab to the subject line when you are finished and want to add a subject. You can be in the edit field or on any address and tab, it doesn't matter.

In short, you are working with a variation on the to line.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 4:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Gene:


That's exactly what the field says. I just forgot until you said it.
It would have to show up for me to be able to tell you but I know that's
what it says. So basically, I can do everything I'm doing without using
that field? Is that right? I wouldn't even know what to do with it
when I was there because I already put the address in and I wouldn't
need to do it again there. It just seems pointless to add it.

Shelly

On 12/7/2020 4:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't use JAWS. I don't hear control w with NVDA. As far as the extra field, you are evidently seeing a field that shows after you type an address and tab once. If JAWS doesn't read what is said in that field, it is a problem with JAWS. The field says something like one address, left arrow to select. The field is there because you haven't actually placed the address in the field until you tab once. You are now in the field with the address and you can work with it there. When you tab again, you are in the subject line. This won't change. It's just a different way of presenting the to line and having it function slightly differently.than previously.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shelly Kane
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 4:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

Hi Group:


Since I have updated to the new Thunderbird 78.5, it has changed a
little for me. When I go to send an email, there is an extra box before
the subject. I forgot what it says but I just tab to subject and then
it seems to be fine. Is there any way to get rid of this? I have also
noticed when I hit F7 to spell check, when it lands on a word that isn't
spelled right, it will tell me and then it will say control W when I tab
and it never did before. It seems to have these added things that
aren't necessary. Do any of you know if there will be another update to
correct this or are we going to just have to deal with it? Thanks in
advance for any help on this matter. I'm currently using the newest
Jaws which is Jaws 2021.

Shelly

On 12/5/2020 11:14 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.












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