nvda with eloquence


Monte Single
 

Hi list,

 

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

Monte


Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

Yes, the default voice in JAWS is Eloquence. I have been using Eloquence for twenty years. I have tried other human sounding voices and some are pretty good at normal speaking rate. But I always go back to Eloquence. Eloquence for NVDA does sound the same as Eloquence for JAWS.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:46 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

Hi list,

 

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

Monte


Gene
 

JAWS uses Eloquence and the sound is very similar when using NVDA with Eloquence. the JAWS developers have modified the sound of Eloquence a little but the actual speech is the same. Also, the JAWS developers removed pauses when periods are encountered, while Eloquence unmodified has short pauses.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:46 AM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence



Hi list,



Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice. Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo when a web page is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But, I usually have the verbosity rate just a little faster than normal human speech. I lose too much info if I try listening at a fast rate.



Thanks for your feedback.



Monte


Monte Single
 

Thanks for your experience.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: December 19, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

 

Yes, the default voice in JAWS is Eloquence. I have been using Eloquence for twenty years. I have tried other human sounding voices and some are pretty good at normal speaking rate. But I always go back to Eloquence. Eloquence for NVDA does sound the same as Eloquence for JAWS.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:46 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

 

Hi list,

 

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

Monte


 

I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.

Melissa

On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi list,

 

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

Monte


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

 

I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.

Melissa



On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi list,

 

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

Monte


Josh Kennedy
 

It is a lot easier to buy it from
www.atguys.com


 

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my productivity.

Melissa

On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:



Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

 

I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.

Melissa



On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi list,

 

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

Monte


Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are referring to. There is a legal add-on for NVDA that provides Eloquence and Vocalizer, both in the same add-on. There is also a SAPI5 version of Eloquence that you can use with any program that supports the SAPI5 interface.

Both have demos and you can see what you think of them.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my productivity.


Melissa


On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:





Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/





David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence





I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.



Melissa









On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:






Hi list,



Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice. Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo when a web page is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But, I usually have the verbosity rate just a little faster than normal human speech. I lose too much info if I try listening at a fast rate.



Thanks for your feedback.



Monte


Timothy Mok
 

Hi,
I bought the Code Factory package two months ago mentioned by Gene on the link provided by David Goldfield. Because of my hearing-impairment, voice consistency is also an important aspect apart from the responsiveness mentioned by Melissa. The Eloquence works great for my latest NVDA. If there's any difference between the Eloquence used by JAWS and the one in this Code Factory, I certainly cannot distinguish between the two, save that I'm totally satisfied with my purchase which serves my needs using NVDA perfectly.
Kind regards,
Tim.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 8:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

I'm not sure what you are referring to. There is a legal add-on for NVDA that provides Eloquence and Vocalizer, both in the same add-on. There is also a SAPI5 version of Eloquence that you can use with any program that supports the SAPI5 interface.

Both have demos and you can see what you think of them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my productivity.


Melissa


On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com>
wrote:





Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/





David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence





I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and
easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But
did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on,
but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called.
Right now, just using jaws.



Melissa









On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:






Hi list,



Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,
I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.
I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity
rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice. Once in a while I’ll load
the jaws demo when a web page is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But, I usually have the verbosity rate just a little faster than normal
human speech. I lose too much info if I try listening at a fast rate.



Thanks for your feedback.



Monte















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Stan Bobbitt
 

Hi,

I don’t imagine the eloquence I bought to use on my android phone would work with NVDA on my PC?

Thanks

StanB

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

 

It is a lot easier to buy it from
www.atguys.com


Mike B.
 


Hi Melissa,
 
this version of Eloquence that Geoff Eden is talking about works great, probably every bit as good as the Eloquence with Jaws and is what I was going to send you.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my productivity.

Melissa

On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:



Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.

Melissa



On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:



Hi list,

Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011,  I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like.  I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.

Thanks for your feedback.

Monte


Rob Hudson
 

No it won't.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Bobbitt" <stan.bobbitt@outlook.com>
To: "main@TechTalk.groups.io" <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:44:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

Hi,
I don't imagine the eloquence I bought to use on my android phone would work with NVDA on my PC?
Thanks
StanB

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence

It is a lot easier to buy it from
www.atguys.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atguys.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C441820b61a76488535f908d8a4faca45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637440744324810980%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=PL1kbSXVoo9I%2FgWr60AF8TMs4ykS5ebcfz4DxH%2FyWgk%3D&reserved=0>








Gene
 

That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to share illegal software on the list. A list may be closed by Groups.io oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.

Gene, owner

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Eden
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence



Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.




https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts





Geoff





On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my productivity.


Melissa


On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com wrote:





Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/





David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence





I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.



Melissa









On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:






Hi list,



Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice. Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo when a web page is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But, I usually have the verbosity rate just a little faster than normal human speech. I lose too much info if I try listening at a fast rate.



Thanks for your feedback.



Monte


Geoff Eden
 

Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff

On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.

Gene, owner
-----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence



Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.




https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts





Geoff





On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my productivity.


Melissa


On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com wrote:





Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/





David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence





I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.



Melissa









On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:






Hi list,



Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a fast rate.



Thanks for your feedback.



Monte










Nimer Jaber
 

Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence, but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5 Eloquence.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
>
>
>
> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
>
>
>
>
>
> David Goldfield,
>
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
>
> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







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Geoff Eden
 

Thank you Nimer, I am one within a substantial group of users who believe that we have been using a legitimate substitute for eloquence. I will share this information with them, and in the same breath, apologize to the list for recommending software which appears to be illegal.


Gratefully


Geoff


On 12/21/2020 10:51 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence, but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5 Eloquence.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
>
>
>
> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
>
>
>
>
>
> David Goldfield,
>
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
>
> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
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addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
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Gene
 

But the reference was to IBm Via Voice. I don't know what its status is. I suspect it is illegal to not pay for it but I haven't heard much of any discussion of it for years.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence


Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence, but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5 Eloquence.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM. if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
share illegal software on the list. A list may be closed by Groups.io
oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.

Gene, owner
-----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence



Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.




https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts





Geoff





On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:

I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
productivity.


Melissa


On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com wrote:





Hi, Melissa.

There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.

https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/





David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Missa
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence





I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.



Melissa









On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:






Hi list,



Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
higher verbosity rates.

I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice. Once in a while I’ll
load the jaws demo when a web page is not working well.

Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?

Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?

Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.

But, I usually have the verbosity rate just a little faster than
normal human speech. I lose too much info if I try listening at a
fast rate.



Thanks for your feedback.



Monte


















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Nimer Jaber
 

IBm Via Voice was bundled into other software, it was, as far as I know, never made open-source or free for use on its own. So same thing that I said applies.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But the reference was to IBm Via Voice.  I don't know what its status is.  I
suspect it is illegal to not pay for it but I haven't heard much of any
discussion of it for years.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence


Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence
first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence,
but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an
illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for
distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to
that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which
wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal
ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it
for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5
Eloquence.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
>
>
>
> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
>
>
>
>
>
> David Goldfield,
>
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
>
> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>









--

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Nimer Jaber

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addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
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Windows, visit nvaccess.org

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Gene
 

Not necessarily.  Here is a brief excerpt from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_ViaVoice

In 1997, ViaVoice was first introduced to the general public. Two years later, in 1999, IBM released a free of charge version of ViaVoice.


Also, and this may or may not bare on the question, products that I have used that install Via Voice don't install it in a

restricted manner, evidently IBM didn't or doesn't require that it be restricted.  I consider this an opened question.

On 12/21/2020 1:21 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
IBm Via Voice was bundled into other software, it was, as far as I know, never made open-source or free for use on its own. So same thing that I said applies.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But the reference was to IBm Via Voice.  I don't know what its status is.  I
suspect it is illegal to not pay for it but I haven't heard much of any
discussion of it for years.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence


Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence
first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence,
but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an
illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for
distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to
that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which
wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal
ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it
for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5
Eloquence.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
>
>
>
> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
>
>
>
>
>
> David Goldfield,
>
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
>
> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>









--

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Nimer Jaber

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addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
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You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

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