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Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a long
one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I
was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a
trainer and installer of computers and adaptive
technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of
people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but
moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course,
still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself
put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It
was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you
can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit
of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7
on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7
on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am
not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to
the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del
laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I
just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout,
how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the
top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find
my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in
to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me learn
everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning
or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I
would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know
what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn.
If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching
computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out
here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to
move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any
help with this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
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So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search. From there it will auto announce the results . Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want. This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu. Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10. There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use. I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions. I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from. Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there. Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff. Having said that I’ll help how I can. John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io> Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks. What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this. "Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just
going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree
with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with
10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with
it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more
at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it,
just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m
actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To:
TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I
even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers
and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin
with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I
enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive
technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer
that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that
I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies.
All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on
it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I
did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In
fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the
hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have
anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner,
but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem.
A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on
it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10.
I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much
more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I
can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to
personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the
thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road
blocks.
What I really need is
someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to
start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your
time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me
know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do
not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just
isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with
this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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You’re welcome Kay. So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center. Think of the Windows store as something like the app store. The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone. Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu. Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search. Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it. Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too. Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too. That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10. AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either. All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions. Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so. There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader. You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too. Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna. There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna. Hope this helps some! John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this. "Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search. From there it will auto announce the results . Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want. This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu. Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10. There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use. I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions. I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from. Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there. Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff. Having said that I’ll help how I can. John Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks. What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this. "Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn
major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10,
neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major
changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the
transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of
things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you
did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great
deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and
releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the
Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than
XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the
start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that
after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or
similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the
old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like
the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app
store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and
enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like
on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you
can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first
followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and
system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough
for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t
wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option
too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this
point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have
to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that
you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen
reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have
been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot
stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS
but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll
get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I
am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have
trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it
is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me
on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, September
20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it,
just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m
actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I
even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and
adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all
kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the
work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of
course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine
and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right
now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are
industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be
upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop
that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two
machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but
wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help
me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just
don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I
received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with
it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu,
the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a
search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit
tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I
can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything
with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is
someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to
start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your
time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me
know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do
not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just
isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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I second Gene here. Its really not a lot different between versions. I’ve used XP,7 and now 10. And while you can do things in different ways or get at information in different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way you’ve always done also. Now having said that the wording may be a little different but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works. Take something as simple as looking up weather. I absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too. ] You can get to these things in other ways such as on your phone or thru a browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps integrate things. And yes. That’s how they differentiate them. App or windows store app. A app is a regular program, and a Windows store app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store. I really have no complains for Windows 10. You could even get something like classic shell to change the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think you’ll be fine as it is. But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget what they open sourced it too now but yeah, you get the idea. John John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal. For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open. Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar. You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem You’re welcome Kay. So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center. Think of the Windows store as something like the app store. The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone. Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu. Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search. Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it. Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too. Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too. That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10. AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either. All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions. Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so. There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader. You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too. Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna. There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna. Hope this helps some! John Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this. "Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search. From there it will auto announce the results . Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want. This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu. Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10. There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use. I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions. I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from. Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there. Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff. Having said that I’ll help how I can. John Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks. What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this. "Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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Hi John, I just did a quick search on google. Classic shell is now called open shell.
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On 2021-09-20 3:38 p.m., John Holcomb II wrote: I second Gene here.
Its really not a lot different between versions.
I’ve used XP,7 and now 10.
And while you can do things in different ways or get at information in different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way you’ve always done also.
Now having said that the wording may be a little different but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works.
Take something as simple as looking up weather. I absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too. ]
You can get to these things in other ways such as on your phone or thru a browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps integrate things.
And yes. That’s how they differentiate them.
App or windows store app.
A app is a regular program, and a Windows store app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store.
I really have no complains for Windows 10.
You could even get something like classic shell to change the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think you’ll be fine as it is.
But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget what they open sourced it too now but yeah, you get the idea.
John
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results .
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
John,
Yes, I think it does. I'll refer back to this
and check out the things you suggested. I have outlook on this new
machine, but would really rather use Outlook Express. I know there are two
versions currently out there and neither one is the true program but one is
still working. I think I want to try that out. I also want to put my
DecTalk express USB on there as well, because I still prefer Paul to any other
voices. People say I am nuts because Eloquence is great. Even when I
was training, I was so happy to get back to my computer and its voice.
But again, thanks. I really do appreciate you
reaching out and helping.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something
like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app
store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and
enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping
like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or
you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first
followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and
system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough
for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you
don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party
option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to
10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this
point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you
have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts
that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your
screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have
been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a
lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in
iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll
get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I
am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't
have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and
how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back
with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, September
20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use
it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot
I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.
I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of
computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state
of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still
have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is
the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and
still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell.
This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware
replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but
never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I
am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we
come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del
laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I
just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the
layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a
search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I
hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going
but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do
anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need
is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing
to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for
your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let
me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this,
but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with
this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for
run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu. Yes, there are
definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn
major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10,
neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major
changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the
transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number
of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as
you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a
great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and
releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the
Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different
than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10,
the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that
after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or
similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the
old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something
like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app
store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and
enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping
like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or
you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first
followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and
system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough
for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you
don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party
option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to
10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this
point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you
have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts
that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your
screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have
been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a
lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in
iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll
get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I
am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't
have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and
how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back
with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, September
20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use
it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot
I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.
I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers
and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of
Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have
a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the
machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still
flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This
machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware
replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but
never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I
am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we
come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop
with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't
understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to
find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even
find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it,
I run in to road blocks.
What I really need
is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing
to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for
your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let
me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this,
but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
I don’t have a particular opinion about whether you use Outlook Express or
not. But Windows Live Mail still works very well and, depending on your
experience with Outlook Express, you may want to try Windows Live Mail.
It needs no modification and may actually be more reliable. Outlook
Express was more prone to e-mail folder corruption. I’m not saying this is
a serious problem. I don’t know how often it happens. I’m saying
that it is more likely to happen, and that I’ve read this is a disadvantage of
Outlook Express. Also, I don’t know what screen-reader you use but it may
support Windows Live Mail better.
If you don’t use identities, the only difference that may matter in general
use between the programs is that you can’t use first letter navigation in
Windows Live Mail to move from folder to folder.
the newer version of Windows Live Mail has ribbons but you won’t have to
use ribbons much, perhaps almost never.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
John,
Yes, I think it does. I'll refer back to this
and check out the things you suggested. I have outlook on this new
machine, but would really rather use Outlook Express. I know there are two
versions currently out there and neither one is the true program but one is
still working. I think I want to try that out. I also want to put my
DecTalk express USB on there as well, because I still prefer Paul to any other
voices. People say I am nuts because Eloquence is great. Even when I
was training, I was so happy to get back to my computer and its voice.
But again, thanks. I really do appreciate you
reaching out and helping.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
Youre welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something
like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app
store.
The only difference is that youll be using tab , arrow and
enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping
like on a phone.
Just like Xp, theres a desktop with all of your apps. Or
you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first
followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and
system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough
for probably a lot of people. Not saying you cant use NVDA or JAWS if you
dont wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party
option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to
10.
AT this point I wouldnt bother g going to 7, since at this
point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you
have to do so.
Theres also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts
that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your
screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. Thats a lot of age groups and people (some of which have
been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a
lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in
iOS but you dont have to if you dont wanna.
Theres emojis like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll
get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I
am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't
have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and
how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back
with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, September
20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
thats how youd search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if Im remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
theyll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
Im not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesnt mean you have to use
it, just putting it out there.
Considering youve done tech installs and whatnot
Im actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that Ill help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.
I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers
and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of
Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have
a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the
machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still
flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This
machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware
replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but
never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I
am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we
come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop
with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't
understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to
find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even
find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it,
I run in to road blocks.
What I really need
is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing
to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for
your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let
me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this,
but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
You guys are making me feel better already. I
didn't know there was a weather app on the computer. Sounds totally great
as I love keeping tabs on the weather. I'll get it figured out.
Especially with you all to kick my butt when I need it. Thanks
again.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:38
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
I second Gene here.
Its really not a lot different between
versions.
I’ve used XP,7 and now 10.
And while you can do things in different ways or get at
information in different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way
you’ve always done also.
Now having said that the wording may be a little different
but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works.
Take something as simple as looking up weather. I
absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too.
]
You can get to these things in other ways such as on your
phone or thru a browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps
integrate things.
And yes. That’s how they differentiate
them.
App or windows store app.
A app is a regular program, and a Windows store
app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store.
I really have no complains for Windows 10.
You could even get something like classic shell to change
the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think
you’ll be fine as it is.
But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget
what they open sourced it too now but yeah, you get the
idea.
John
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent:
Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
I
haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major
changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither
one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes.
I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition
from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things,
you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did
before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great
deal.
For
example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing
the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows
key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP,
if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start
menu will open.
Others
may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some
differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.
You may
have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way
to the old way, and one or more new ways.
-----Original
Message-----
Sent:
Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You’re welcome
Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10
notifications as something like the iOS notification
center.
Think of the Windows store as
something like the app store.
The only difference is that
you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done
rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop
with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start
menu.
Although its easier to just tap
the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case
(by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app
settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing
search.
Just like in earlier windows
versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in
it.
Windows 10 just calls everything
an app now too.
Its got its own built in screen
reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t
use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be
used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be
upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother
g going to 7, since at this point its not supported
either.
All of your screen reader
commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in
older versions.
Power toys just came out and
keys can be remapped if you have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive
list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search
in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves
over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and
people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so
while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in
Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t
wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but
again you only can choose to use them if you
wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
Thanks
for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it
and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are
surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an
iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to
understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it.
Thanks for getting back with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy
flows."
Bob Proctor
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] A serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows
key and start typing that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto
announce the results .
Move your up and down arrows
to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7
, and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP),
like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are
the same between XP, 7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that
you can choose to use or not use.
I dunno what programs
you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated
versions.
I’m not sure if you know about
smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is
this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones
windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software
from.
Now just because it has it
doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out
there.
Considering you’ve done
tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you
are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how
I can.
John
Let
me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that
the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a
challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of
computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state
of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have
a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the
machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still
flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This
machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware
replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but
never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I
am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we
come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop
with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't
understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to
find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even
find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it,
I run in to road blocks.
What
I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who
would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from
there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing
to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to
do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If
anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching
computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out
here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have
to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks
for any help with this.
"Where
focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
That’s right. I was thinking of versions of Windows before XP.
I checked on an old XP machine I have.
I don’t know what differences are causing you problems. If you ask
how to do specific things, people can tell you.
I’m not saying you can learn everything you need to know about either
Windows 7 or Windows 10 in that way but learning a small number of things may
make an enormous difference.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for
run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu. Yes, there are
definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn
major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10,
neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major
changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the
transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number
of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as
you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a
great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and
releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the
Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different
than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10,
the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that
after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or
similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the
old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something
like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app
store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and
enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping
like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or
you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first
followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and
system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough
for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you
don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party
option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to
10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this
point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you
have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts
that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your
screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have
been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a
lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in
iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll
get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I
am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't
have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and
how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back
with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, September
20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use
it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot
I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.
I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers
and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of
Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have
a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the
machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still
flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This
machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware
replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but
never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I
am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we
come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop
with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't
understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to
find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even
find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it,
I run in to road blocks.
What I really need
is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing
to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for
your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let
me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this,
but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
Kay, When I started using Win10, I tried to use outlook express (the
original and some clones). But then, whenever microsoft came along
with a windows update, it wiped out my express and all my settings
and mail. I got to start over a few times. Now I (and many others)
are using ThunderBird. It works pretty good.
Howard
On 9/20/2021 4:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I don’t have a particular opinion about whether you use
Outlook Express or not. But Windows Live Mail still works
very well and, depending on your experience with Outlook
Express, you may want to try Windows Live Mail.
It needs no modification and may actually be more
reliable. Outlook Express was more prone to e-mail folder
corruption. I’m not saying this is a serious problem. I
don’t know how often it happens. I’m saying that it is more
likely to happen, and that I’ve read this is a disadvantage
of Outlook Express. Also, I don’t know what screen-reader
you use but it may support Windows Live Mail better.
If you don’t use identities, the only difference that may
matter in general use between the programs is that you can’t
use first letter navigation in Windows Live Mail to move
from folder to folder.
the newer version of Windows Live Mail has ribbons but
you won’t have to use ribbons much, perhaps almost never.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
John,
Yes, I think it does. I'll
refer back to this and check out the things you
suggested. I have outlook on this new machine, but
would really rather use Outlook Express. I know there
are two versions currently out there and neither one is
the true program but one is still working. I think I
want to try that out. I also want to put my DecTalk
express USB on there as well, because I still prefer
Paul to any other voices. People say I am nuts because
Eloquence is great. Even when I was training, I was so
happy to get back to my computer and its voice.
But again, thanks. I
really do appreciate you reaching out and helping.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday,
September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Youre welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10
notifications as something like the iOS notification
center.
Think of the Windows store as
something like the app store.
The only difference is that youll
be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you
need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a
phone.
Just like Xp, theres a desktop
with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the
start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the
windows key and start typing to search for the app you
want. In every case (by default unless you change it),
any local results such as apps or app settings will
show up first followed next by web results which uses
Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows
versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all
running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an
app now too.
Its got its own built in screen
reader which is good enough for probably a lot of
people. Not saying you cant use NVDA or JAWS if you
dont wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be
used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be
upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldnt bother g
going to 7, since at this point its not supported
either.
All of your screen reader commands
as well as a lot of windows commands will work the
same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys
can be remapped if you have to do so.
Theres also pretty extensive list
of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you
do a web search in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over
2 billion people with Windows. Thats a lot of age
groups and people (some of which have been using
Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add
things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in
Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you dont have to
if you dont wanna.
Theres emojis like iOS too but
again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
Thanks for
your input. I know it is just going to take my
doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually
agree with you when you said you are surprised
that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I
do have an iPhone and don't have trouble
interacting with it. I just need to understand it
more and how it is laid out to feel more at home
with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021
1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
So once you hit the windows key
and start typing thats how youd search.
From there it will auto announce
the results .
Move your up and down arrows to
move thru them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 ,
and if Im remembering correctly (its been a long
time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same
between XP, 7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that you
can choose to use or not use.
I dunno what programs you use in
Xp but most likely theyll work in 10 too, perhaps
with updated versions.
Im not sure if you know about
smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing
new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that
you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows
10 and 11 have a store that you can get software
from.
Now just because it has it
doesnt mean you have to use it, just putting it out
there.
Considering youve done tech
installs and whatnot Im actually a bit surprised at
how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that Ill help how I
can.
John
Let me
start by saying this is going to be a long one.
You might say that the computer problem is me.
At one time I was a techie and loved a
challenge. I even worked for a business as a
trainer and installer of computers and adaptive
technology. I worked all over the state of
Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various
levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the
work but moved away from there and got away from
adaptive technology, but of course, still used
tech. I still have a computer that a friend of
mine and myself put together. This is the
machine that I am writing on right now. It was
built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are
industrial grade and you can tell. This machine
has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of
hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that
has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it.
In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but
wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it
and didn't have anyone to help me figure it
out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner,
but I just don't get it. Now we come to the
problem. A couple of months ago,I received a
Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so
frustrated with it. I just don't understand
10. I don't understand the start menu, the
layout, how to find things and so much more. I
get that there is a search at the top of the
start menu and I can search for things, but do I
hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize
it and get things going but I can't even find my
way around the thing. Every time I try to do
anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I
really need is someone to help me learn
everything. Someone who would be willing to
start out from the beginning or basics and go
from there. If I know something, we can move
on. I would be willing to pay obviously for
your time but otherwise I just don't know what
to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know
where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching
computers, could you please let me know? I feel
embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but
I truly do not know what else to do. I have to
move on and learn this, but it just isn't
working this way. Thanks for any help with
this.
"Where
focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
Regarding Outlook Express, there is a program that is not the actual
Outlook Express. I believe it is called Outlook Express Classic, and the
last I saw comments about it a few months ago, it wasn’t completely
accessible.
The other Outlook Express is the actual program. You have to get the
exe file from someone who already has it because the person who modified the
program so that it would run in Windows 7 and higher no longer distributes
it. You also have to get an older version of the modified program.
Newer versions required some sort of authorization by the person who modified it
in exchange for a donation.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
That’s right. I was thinking of versions of Windows before XP.
I checked on an old XP machine I have.
I don’t know what differences are causing you problems. If you ask
how to do specific things, people can tell you.
I’m not saying you can learn everything you need to know about either
Windows 7 or Windows 10 in that way but learning a small number of things may
make an enormous difference.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for
run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu. Yes, there are
definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn
major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10,
neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major
changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the
transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number
of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as
you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a
great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and
releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the
Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different
than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10,
the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that
after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or
similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the
old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something
like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app
store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and
enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping
like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or
you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first
followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and
system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough
for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you
don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party
option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to
10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this
point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you
have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts
that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your
screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have
been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a
lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in
iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To:
main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll
get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I
am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't
have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and
how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back
with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday, September
20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press
enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not
use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use
it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot
I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer
problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge.
I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers
and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of
Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have
a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the
machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still
flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This
machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware
replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but
never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on
them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just
never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I
am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we
come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop
with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't
understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to
find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even
find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it,
I run in to road blocks.
What I really need
is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing
to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for
your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally
frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or
knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let
me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this,
but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
"Where focus goes,
energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
Kay, send me an email:
4carolyna@...
I'll send you everything I have for learning Windows 10. I
came from XP to 10, and the lists were very helpful, as I
got my computer just as 10 came in. Therefore, everyone was
learning, and I made a file of a lot of information. This is
all software related, however.
I am not techy, but it doesn't seem like it was all that
difficult.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my
doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with
you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much
trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have
trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it
more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it.
Thanks for getting back with me on this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
that's how you'd search.
From there it will auto announce the results .
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and
press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I'm
remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used
XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or
not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely
they'll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I'm not sure if you know about smartphones and how
they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this
idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like
smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get
software from.
Now just because it has it doesn't mean you have to
use it, just putting it out there.
Considering you've done tech installs and whatnot
I'm actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that I'll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a long
one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one
time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked
for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and
adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of
Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of
computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from
there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course,
still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of
mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am
writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies.
All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This
machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of
hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows
7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two
machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang
of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and
didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not
stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now
we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a
Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with
it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the
start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more.
I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu
and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or
what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I
can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try
to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me learn
everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from
the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay
obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what
to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to
turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is
good with teaching computers, could you please let me know?
I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and
learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for
any help with this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
<mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
As my husband says, we just have to learn new ways to do old things.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results .
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
You can see how you find Thunderbird. I’m not recommending either
thunderbird or Windows Live Mail, when comparing the two. My experience is
that Thunderbird opens messages more slowly than Windows Live Mail. Your
experience may differ. I have seen different people report different
speeds of performance on different machines so I’m not saying you will find it
slower than you are used to.
Gene
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Kay,
When I started using Win10, I tried to use outlook express (the original and
some clones). But then, whenever microsoft came along with a windows
update, it wiped out my express and all my settings and mail. I got to
start over a few times. Now I (and many others) are using
ThunderBird. It works pretty good. Howard
On 9/20/2021 4:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I don’t have a particular opinion about whether you use Outlook Express
or not. But Windows Live Mail still works very well and, depending on
your experience with Outlook Express, you may want to try Windows Live
Mail.
It needs no modification and may actually be more reliable. Outlook
Express was more prone to e-mail folder corruption. I’m not saying this
is a serious problem. I don’t know how often it happens. I’m
saying that it is more likely to happen, and that I’ve read this is a
disadvantage of Outlook Express. Also, I don’t know what screen-reader
you use but it may support Windows Live Mail better.
If you don’t use identities, the only difference that may matter in
general use between the programs is that you can’t use first letter navigation
in Windows Live Mail to move from folder to folder.
the newer version of Windows Live Mail has ribbons but you won’t have to
use ribbons much, perhaps almost never.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
John,
Yes, I think it does. I'll refer back to
this and check out the things you suggested. I have outlook on this new
machine, but would really rather use Outlook Express. I know there are
two versions currently out there and neither one is the true program but one
is still working. I think I want to try that out. I also want to
put my DecTalk express USB on there as well, because I still prefer Paul to
any other voices. People say I am nuts because Eloquence is great.
Even when I was training, I was so happy to get back to my computer and its
voice.
But again, thanks. I really do appreciate
you reaching out and helping.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07
PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious
computer problem
Youre welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something
like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the
app store.
The only difference is that youll be using tab , arrow
and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and
tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, theres a desktop with all of your apps. Or
you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start
typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you
change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up
first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar
and system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now
too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good
enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you cant use NVDA or JAWS
if you dont wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first
party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to
10.
AT this point I wouldnt bother g going to 7, since at
this point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of
windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you
have to do so.
Theres also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts
that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your
screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. Thats a lot of age groups and people (some of which
have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add
things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in
iOS but you dont have to if you dont wanna.
Theres emojis like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
Thanks for your
input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and
I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised
that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and
don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it
more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for
getting back with me on this.
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob
Proctor
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Monday,
September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A
serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing
thats how youd search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and
press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if Im remembering
correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start
menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and
10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or
not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most
likely theyll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated
versions.
Im not sure if you know about smartphones and how they
work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications
that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a
store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesnt mean you have to use
it, just putting it out there.
Considering youve done tech installs and whatnot
Im actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS
stuff.
Having said that Ill help how I can.
John
Let me start by
saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the
computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a
challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer
of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the
state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer
knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away
from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still
have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This
is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004
and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can
tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of
hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7
on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that
have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed
to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure
it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get
it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I
received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with
it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start
menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that
there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for
things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it
and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing.
Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really
need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be
willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there.
If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay
obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do.
I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone
has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers,
could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on
these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move
on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for
any help with this.
"Where focus
goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
I did not care for Classic Shell for my Desktop.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
I second Gene here.
Its really not a lot different between versions.
I’ve used XP,7 and now 10.
And while you can do things in different ways or get at information in different ways if you want to, you can do it the same way you’ve always done also.
Now having said that the wording may be a little different but MS isn’t gonna mess with a thing that already works.
Take something as simple as looking up weather. I absolutely love the weather app in Windows 10. Messenger works well too. ]
You can get to these things in other ways such as on your phone or thru a browser, but I like how tightly windows store apps integrate things.
And yes. That’s how they differentiate them.
App or windows store app.
A app is a regular program, and a Windows store app is an app gotten from the Microsoft store.
I really have no complains for Windows 10.
You could even get something like classic shell to change the look of Windows 10 back to what you’re used to if you need to but I think you’ll be fine as it is.
But hold up its not called classic shell anymore. I forget what they open sourced it too now but yeah, you get the idea.
John
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results .
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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Kay, I also have a big tutorial on Outlook. I can send it to
you too.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
John,
Yes, I think it does. I'll refer back to this and check out
the things you suggested. I have outlook on this new
machine, but would really rather use Outlook Express. I
know there are two versions currently out there and neither
one is the true program but one is still working. I think I
want to try that out. I also want to put my DecTalk express
USB on there as well, because I still prefer Paul to any
other voices. People say I am nuts because Eloquence is
great. Even when I was training, I was so happy to get back
to my computer and its voice.
But again, thanks. I really do appreciate you reaching out
and helping.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You're welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as
something like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the
app store.
The only difference is that you'll be using tab ,
arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than
flicking and tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there's a desktop with all of your
apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and
start typing to search for the app you want. In every case
(by default unless you change it), any local results such as
apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web
results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a
taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good
enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can't
use NVDA or JAWS if you don't wish too. But Narrator is
there and c can be used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn't bother g going to 7, since
at this point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot
of windows commands will work the same just like in older
versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if
you have to do so.
There's also pretty extensive list of keyboard
shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search
in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people
with Windows. That's a lot of age groups and people (some
of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while
sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just
like in iOS but you don't have to if you don't wanna.
There's emoji's like iOS too but again you only can
choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to
take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually
agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am
having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and
don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to
understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at
home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
<mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II
<mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
So once you hit the windows key and start
typing that's how you'd search.
From there it will auto announce the results
.
Move your up and down arrows to move thru
them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I'm
remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used
XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP,
7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose
to use or not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but
most likely they'll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated
versions.
I'm not sure if you know about smartphones
and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is
this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just
like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can
get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn't mean you
have to use it, just putting it out there.
Considering you've done tech installs and
whatnot I'm actually a bit surprised at how lost you are
with the OS stuff.
Having said that I'll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer
problem
Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a
long one. You might say that the computer problem is me.
At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even
worked for a business as a trainer and installer of
computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the
state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various
levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved
away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but
of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a
friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine
that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and
still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can
tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a
bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has
Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have
two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the
hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got
it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am
not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it.
Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I
received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so
frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't
understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things
and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top
of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit
tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things
going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every
time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me
learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out
from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know
something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay
obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what
to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to
turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is
good with teaching computers, could you please let me know?
I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I
truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and
learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for
any help with this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
<mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
|
|
|
Windows Key on 10 opens the Search, where we used to have to type something like Windows Key f, I believe to search.
The good thing about 10 is that you don't have to know where anything is. Just press Windows Calculator, VOILA, there you are in Calculator. Press Windows Key anything, and you are in it.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
In Xp you still have to pres windows key plus r for run and the windows key by itself opens the start menu. Yes, there are definite similarities but the differences are what is killing me.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
I haven’t used Windows 10 but I know two people who take time to learn major changes. When they transitioned from Windows 7 to Windows 10, neither one complained to me about having difficulties learning major changes. I’m not saying there is nothing to learn, but as I found in the transition from XP to Windows 7, I expect that once you learn a small number of things, you will find that you can do a lot in the same or similar ways as you did before and that learning a little about this or that change may help a great deal.
For example, if you are used to opening the run dialog by pressing and releasing the Windows key in XP, in Windows 7 and Windows 10, if you hold the Windows key and type r, the same run dialog will open. But, different than XP, if you press and release the Windows key in Windows 7 and 10, the start menu will open.
Others may want to comment, but I strongly suspect that after you learn some differences, you will find a lot to be the same or similar.
You may have more choices in how you do some things, the old way or a very similar way to the old way, and one or more new ways.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
You’re welcome Kay.
So ok think of the windows 10 notifications as something like the iOS notification center.
Think of the Windows store as something like the app store.
The only difference is that you’ll be using tab , arrow and enter keys to get what you need done rather than flicking and tapping like on a phone.
Just like Xp, there’s a desktop with all of your apps. Or you can get to them in the start menu.
Although its easier to just tap the windows key and start typing to search for the app you want. In every case (by default unless you change it), any local results such as apps or app settings will show up first followed next by web results which uses Bing search.
Just like in earlier windows versions you got a taskbar and system trey with all running apps in it.
Windows 10 just calls everything an app now too.
Its got its own built in screen reader which is good enough for probably a lot of people. Not saying you can’t use NVDA or JAWS if you don’t wish too. But Narrator is there and c can be used as a first party option too.
That windows 7 computer can be upgraded to 10.
AT this point I wouldn’t bother g going to 7, since at this point its not supported either.
All of your screen reader commands as well as a lot of windows commands will work the same just like in older versions.
Power toys just came out and keys can be remapped if you have to do so.
There’s also pretty extensive list of keyboard shortcuts that you can find from MS if you do a web search in addition to your screen reader.
You gotta remember. MS serves over 2 billion people with Windows. That’s a lot of age groups and people (some of which have been using Windows since day one.) so while sure they do add things, a lot stays the same too.
Like sure you can dictate in Windows 10 now just like in iOS but you don’t have to if you don’t wanna.
There’s emoji’s like iOS too but again you only can choose to use them if you wanna.
Hope this helps some!
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I know it is just going to take my doing things with it and I'll get it. I actually agree with you when you said you are surprised that I am having so much trouble with 10. Yes,I do have an iPhone and don't have trouble interacting with it. I just need to understand it more and how it is laid out to feel more at home with it. Thanks for getting back with me on this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
----- Original Message -----
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
So once you hit the windows key and start typing that’s how you’d search.
From there it will auto announce the results .
Move your up and down arrows to move thru them and press enter on the one you want.
This is exactly like Windows 7 , and if I’m remembering correctly (its been a long time since I used XP), like the new XP start menu.
Many of the things are the same between XP, 7 and 10.
There are things in 10 that you can choose to use or not use.
I dunno what programs you use in Xp but most likely they’ll work in 10 too, perhaps with updated versions.
I’m not sure if you know about smartphones and how they work or not, but one thing new to Windows 10 is this idea of notifications that you can interact with. Just like smartphones windows 10 and 11 have a store that you can get software from.
Now just because it has it doesn’t mean you have to use it, just putting it out there.
Considering you’ve done tech installs and whatnot I’m actually a bit surprised at how lost you are with the OS stuff.
Having said that I’ll help how I can.
John
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:20 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> >
Subject: [TechTalk] A serious computer problem
Hi all,
Let me start by saying this is going to be a long one. You might say that the computer problem is me. At one time I was a techie and loved a challenge. I even worked for a business as a trainer and installer of computers and adaptive technology. I worked all over the state of Wisconsin with all kinds of people at various levels of computer knowledge. I enjoyed the work but moved away from there and got away from adaptive technology, but of course, still used tech. I still have a computer that a friend of mine and myself put together. This is the machine that I am writing on right now. It was built in 2004 and still flies. All parts are industrial grade and you can tell. This machine has XP on it but can be upgraded with a bit of hardware replacement. I did have a laptop that has Windows 7 on it but never really liked it. In fact, I have two machines that have 7 on them. I never really got the hang of 7, but wasn't apposed to it, just never really got it and didn't have anyone to help me figure it out. I am not stupid and not a slow learner, but I just don't get it. Now we come to the problem. A couple of months ago,I received a Del laptop with Windows 10 on it. I am so frustrated with it. I just don't understand 10. I don't understand the start menu, the layout, how to find things and so much more. I get that there is a search at the top of the start menu and I can search for things, but do I hit tab, enter or what? I want to personalize it and get things going but I can't even find my way around the thing. Every time I try to do anything with it, I run in to road blocks.
What I really need is someone to help me learn everything. Someone who would be willing to start out from the beginning or basics and go from there. If I know something, we can move on. I would be willing to pay obviously for your time but otherwise I just don't know what to do. I feel totally frustrated and don't know where to turn. If anyone has any ideas, or knows of anyone that is good with teaching computers, could you please let me know? I feel embarrassed coming out here on these lists, but I truly do not know what else to do. I have to move on and learn this, but it just isn't working this way. Thanks for any help with this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@... <mailto:kay.malmquist@...>
"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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