Wrong Jaws behaivor
Pablo Morales
Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
Pablo,
In the browser you're using open the quick
settings, Insert + V.
In the search field type, select, and wait a
moment for the list to populate and you should get 2 results, down arrow to
them.
It should say, Select and copy from..., if
Jaws reports, select and copy from virtual cursor, press the spacebar so Jaws
reports, select and copy Full content using on screen highlight
Do this for both entries, then tab to, Okay,
and press enter to save / close.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pablo
Morales
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Bharat
Hi Mike,
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Would you by any chance know as to why are those settings turned off by default? Thank you, Bharat.
On 11/29/21, Mike B. <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Pablo,
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Gene
Of course, you can try that and see if it works. But I don’t think it
will copy underlying links. I don’t know why the behavior changed and I
may be wrong for specifically what you are doing but my understanding is that
copy content copies what you are copying in a form a sighted person would see
it. So if the page has a table, for example, copying the page or that part
of it shows the table as a sighted person would see it, not as the virtual PC
cursor displays it which is completely different.
Using the setting also gets rid of intrusive and meaningless, to sighted
people, verbiage. For example, a sighted reader won’t see, list with six
items in the text.
I’ll be interested to know if changing the setting does what you want in
the specific case you are working with but I doubt it.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Hi
Mike, Would you by any chance know as to why are those settings turned off by default? Thank you, Bharat. On 11/29/21, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote: > Pablo, > > In the browser you're using open the quick settings, Insert + V. > In the search field type, select, and wait a moment for the list to populate > > and you should get 2 results, down arrow to them. > > It should say, Select and copy from..., if Jaws reports, select and copy > from virtual cursor, press the spacebar so Jaws reports, select and copy > Full content using on screen highlight > > Do this for both entries, then tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / > close. > > > Stay safe & take care. Mike. > Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pablo Morales > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM > Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor > > > Hello all, > > > > On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using > the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text > between the marked place and the current position in the current document. > > However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary > place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not > > the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, > Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that > before. > > Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and > > paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to > > the links on the selected text? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Pablo > > > > > > > > > >
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They shouldn't be turned off, you use the spacebar
to choose one or the other.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bharat
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor Would you by any chance know as to why are those settings turned off by default? Thank you, Bharat. On 11/29/21, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote: > Pablo, > > In the browser you're using open the quick settings, Insert + V. > In the search field type, select, and wait a moment for the list to populate > > and you should get 2 results, down arrow to them. > > It should say, Select and copy from..., if Jaws reports, select and copy > from virtual cursor, press the spacebar so Jaws reports, select and copy > Full content using on screen highlight > > Do this for both entries, then tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / > close. > > > Stay safe & take care. Mike. > Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pablo Morales > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM > Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor > > > Hello all, > > > > On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using > the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text > between the marked place and the current position in the current document. > > However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary > place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not > > the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, > Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that > before. > > Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and > > paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to > > the links on the selected text? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Pablo > > > > > > > > > >
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Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
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If this doesn't work and in playing around a
little bit, it didn't for me with the latest version of Jaws this morning,
they can go into the Settings Center for the browser they're using and
experiment with,
Settings Center / Web / HTML / PDFs / Reading
/ Web Verbosity Level
and see if changes here will get back the old
functionality. A call to FS / Vispero would probably save a lot of
time.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor Of course, you can try that and see if it works. But I don’t think it
will copy underlying links. I don’t know why the behavior changed and I
may be wrong for specifically what you are doing but my understanding is that
copy content copies what you are copying in a form a sighted person would see
it. So if the page has a table, for example, copying the page or that part
of it shows the table as a sighted person would see it, not as the virtual PC
cursor displays it which is completely different.
Using the setting also gets rid of intrusive and meaningless, to sighted
people, verbiage. For example, a sighted reader won’t see, list with six
items in the text.
I’ll be interested to know if changing the setting does what you want in
the specific case you are working with but I doubt it.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Hi
Mike, Would you by any chance know as to why are those settings turned off by default? Thank you, Bharat. On 11/29/21, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote: > Pablo, > > In the browser you're using open the quick settings, Insert + V. > In the search field type, select, and wait a moment for the list to populate > > and you should get 2 results, down arrow to them. > > It should say, Select and copy from..., if Jaws reports, select and copy > from virtual cursor, press the spacebar so Jaws reports, select and copy > Full content using on screen highlight > > Do this for both entries, then tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / > close. > > > Stay safe & take care. Mike. > Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pablo Morales > To: main@TechTalk.groups.io > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM > Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor > > > Hello all, > > > > On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using > the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text > between the marked place and the current position in the current document. > > However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary > place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not > > the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, > Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that > before. > > Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and > > paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to > > the links on the selected text? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Pablo > > > > > > > > > >
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Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
Hi Pablo,
I missed the part of your message that said, *
document *, and so would you please post what version of Jaws, operating system
and I'm assuming Word, you're running? Thanks much.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pablo
Morales
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Pablo Morales
Hi Mike,
I have followed your list of steps and I found the select settings already as onscreen highlight on both select options. My jaws version is the Version 2022.2110.60 ILM. I am working on Windows 10 version 10.0.19044 Build 19044 I am working on Google Chrome and Brave as well on Microsoft Edge and I am finding the same problem on all browsers. One thing that is very curius is that when I select 2 lines on a web site with links, Jaws is able to copy and paste the selected text and the links embedded on. However, when I select more than 3 lines of text, jaws copy only the text as a flat text. Jaws is not copying the properties or links that appear on the web page.
Thanks Mike,
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 8:27 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Pablo,
In the browser you're using open the quick settings, Insert + V. In the search field type, select, and wait a moment for the list to populate and you should get 2 results, down arrow to them.
It should say, Select and copy from..., if Jaws reports, select and copy from virtual cursor, press the spacebar so Jaws reports, select and copy Full content using on screen highlight
Do this for both entries, then tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Pablo Morales
Hi Mike,
I am using Jaws Version 2022.2110.60 ILM and the selected and copied text goes to Microsoft word office 365 installed in my computer. My computer is using Windows 10. However, I am seeing this behavior since Jaws 2020. It used to work fine no matter how much text I was selecting. If I was selecting text with links from a web page. When I pasted that information to word, on word appeared the whole selected text including the embedded links from the web page. Now, jaws is not doing that. However, if I press control + A and copy. Windows is able to paste the whole page with graphics, tables, text and embedded links. Jaws no longer was able to do that with selected parts of a web page.
Thanks Mike,
Pablo
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:03 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hi Pablo,
I missed the part of your message that said, * document *, and so would you please post what version of Jaws, operating system and I'm assuming Word, you're running? Thanks much.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
Hi Pablo,
Have you sent this information to FS / Vispero
tech support? I haven't heard anyone else on any of the Jaws lists or the
other tech lists mention this problem and I'm wondering if something didn't get
screwed up somewhere along the line with all these other things that have been
going on with these later versions of Jaws. You know, trying to
increase their compatibility with Windows 10 & 11.
Have you looked in the Settings Center and
tried to tweak any settings while running Brave, Chrome or Edge?
It sure sounds like something is broken or maybe changed to the layered
keystrokes feature. Here are the email addresses for tech support. I
will continue to play around to see if I can figure out anything, but the big
thing is I don't have Office 365 installed, I'm running Office 2016, but my
Windows 10 system isn't available to me for a couple of more days.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pablo
Morales
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor Hi Mike,
I am using Jaws Version 2022.2110.60 ILM and the selected and copied text goes to Microsoft word office 365 installed in my computer. My computer is using Windows 10. However, I am seeing this behavior since Jaws 2020. It used to work fine no matter how much text I was selecting. If I was selecting text with links from a web page. When I pasted that information to word, on word appeared the whole selected text including the embedded links from the web page. Now, jaws is not doing that. However, if I press control + A and copy. Windows is able to paste the whole page with graphics, tables, text and embedded links. Jaws no longer was able to do that with selected parts of a web page.
Thanks Mike,
Pablo
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Pablo,
I missed the part of your message that said, * document *, and so would you please post what version of Jaws, operating system and I'm assuming Word, you're running? Thanks much.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Pablo Morales
I just sent them an email. Let us see what happen. Thanks Mike,
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 12:06 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hi Pablo,
Have you sent this information to FS / Vispero tech support? I haven't heard anyone else on any of the Jaws lists or the other tech lists mention this problem and I'm wondering if something didn't get screwed up somewhere along the line with all these other things that have been going on with these later versions of Jaws. You know, trying to increase their compatibility with Windows 10 & 11.
Have you looked in the Settings Center and tried to tweak any settings while running Brave, Chrome or Edge? It sure sounds like something is broken or maybe changed to the layered keystrokes feature. Here are the email addresses for tech support. I will continue to play around to see if I can figure out anything, but the big thing is I don't have Office 365 installed, I'm running Office 2016, but my Windows 10 system isn't available to me for a couple of more days.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hi Mike,
I am using Jaws Version 2022.2110.60 ILM and the selected and copied text goes to Microsoft word office 365 installed in my computer. My computer is using Windows 10. However, I am seeing this behavior since Jaws 2020. It used to work fine no matter how much text I was selecting. If I was selecting text with links from a web page. When I pasted that information to word, on word appeared the whole selected text including the embedded links from the web page. Now, jaws is not doing that. However, if I press control + A and copy. Windows is able to paste the whole page with graphics, tables, text and embedded links. Jaws no longer was able to do that with selected parts of a web page.
Thanks Mike,
Pablo
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Pablo,
I missed the part of your message that said, * document *, and so would you please post what version of Jaws, operating system and I'm assuming Word, you're running? Thanks much.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
Hi Pablo,
Please let the list know what FS / Vispero
tech support has to say. Thanks much.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pablo
Morales
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor I just sent them an email. Let us see what happen. Thanks Mike,
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Pablo,
Have you sent this information to FS / Vispero tech support? I haven't heard anyone else on any of the Jaws lists or the other tech lists mention this problem and I'm wondering if something didn't get screwed up somewhere along the line with all these other things that have been going on with these later versions of Jaws. You know, trying to increase their compatibility with Windows 10 & 11.
Have you looked in the Settings Center and tried to tweak any settings while running Brave, Chrome or Edge? It sure sounds like something is broken or maybe changed to the layered keystrokes feature. Here are the email addresses for tech support. I will continue to play around to see if I can figure out anything, but the big thing is I don't have Office 365 installed, I'm running Office 2016, but my Windows 10 system isn't available to me for a couple of more days.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hi Mike,
I am using Jaws Version 2022.2110.60 ILM and the selected and copied text goes to Microsoft word office 365 installed in my computer. My computer is using Windows 10. However, I am seeing this behavior since Jaws 2020. It used to work fine no matter how much text I was selecting. If I was selecting text with links from a web page. When I pasted that information to word, on word appeared the whole selected text including the embedded links from the web page. Now, jaws is not doing that. However, if I press control + A and copy. Windows is able to paste the whole page with graphics, tables, text and embedded links. Jaws no longer was able to do that with selected parts of a web page.
Thanks Mike,
Pablo
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Pablo,
I missed the part of your message that said, * document *, and so would you please post what version of Jaws, operating system and I'm assuming Word, you're running? Thanks much.
Stay safe & take care. Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:49 PM Subject: [TechTalk] Wrong Jaws behaivor
Hello all,
On previous Jaws versions, I was able to select parts of a web page using the temporary place markers and pressing Insert plus M to Select all text between the marked place and the current position in the current document. However, since a few months ago, this behavior changed. Now the temporary place markers and insert M allows me to select and copy only the text. Not the properties of the selected text. For example, if I am selecting links, Jaws is not pasting the URL embedded to these links. Jaws used to do that before. Someone know if there is any setting I should modify to be able to copy and paste the selected text with all properties including the URL associated to the links on the selected text?
Thanks in advance,
Pablo
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