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enes sarıbaş
 

Well I do not run programs I am not using in the background for them to hog CPU

On 11/30/2019 11:17 AM, Gene wrote:
Why would you launch it so many times?  You appear to be begging the question.  If people find a program takes a long time to open, and Firefox is somewhat notorious for that, common sense would dictate just leaving it opened. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

enes sarıbaş
 

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.

On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

Gene
 

A browser doesn't hog anything when it isn't being used.  It just sits there.  No program does anything if it is intended to just sit when not being used.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Well I do not run programs I am not using in the background for them to hog CPU

On 11/30/2019 11:17 AM, Gene wrote:
Why would you launch it so many times?  You appear to be begging the question.  If people find a program takes a long time to open, and Firefox is somewhat notorious for that, common sense would dictate just leaving it opened. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

Cristóbal
 

Buying a PC with 2 or 4 tB of storage has got to be the exception more than the rule. This goes back to an included SSD or even upgrading to one for their main drive simply isn’t going to be the pocket book hit that it used to be.

And like I said, using an SSD for one’s main files with mechanical drives for storage/bac up is probably the more traditional set up at this point.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Yes, but if you try the sshd you will notice the difference and never go back.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: November 30, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry, but I just can’t agree that the price differential between SSD’s and traditional hard drives is not that great. It’s still very large.

You’re saying that a 1TB SSD for $100 is a good deal? Well, I bought two Seagate USB powered 2TB external hard drives in September of 2017, that’s over two years ago, for $69 a piece! That’s 4TB for $140. I haven’t looked lately, but prices on similar drives surely must be even better now than they were then. Even in the extremely unlikely event that prices for hard drives haven’t declined at all since then, 2TB for $69 is a heck of a lot better than 1TB for $100.

Evan

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 1:47 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That’s kind of my point. The difference in price isn’t what it used to be. At least not to the point to where it would induce sticker shock like before or be the determining factor when buying something.

My mother for example this week wanted to get a spare machine for a separate business she has and to let my Internet novice dad surf the web, but didn’t want to spend a lot of money on it since it would be meant for light use. Browsing the web, playing music, maybe some spread sheet and word processing stuff, etc.

I found her on eBay a refurbished $199 HP tower with 8 GB ram (upgradable to 16 GB), a ton of USB ports, quad-core i-core 5 3rd generation processor (3.2 GHZ) and a 256 GB SSD. Being a tower, it also had another bay to install a separate drive if she wanted the extra storage or to be able to back up internally without having to use an external drive.

I’ve seen 1 TB SSDs pop up for less than $100 too which is crazy cheap considering what they used to go for.

Also, a lot of us are probably not on our first machine so likely, we’ve got older computers laying around collecting dust. It’s easy enough to pull out the hard drive from that machine and repurpose it for extra storage.

It’s of course not essential or even necessary that one have an SSD in their system, but the notion that SSD storage is uber expensive is kind of an outdated one.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Yeah, I’ve been thinking that I might like a combo drive for my next laptop, but my laptop is my exclusive PC, and I don’t know if they come with those combo drives. I haven’t looked much lately. There are situations where an SSD would make a noticeable difference. For example, K1000 seems to use the hard drive for just about everything, so doing a search and replace on a book can take a lot longer than it would if the file were on an SSD. Each page is its own file, and in older machines, I used to be able to hear the hard drive clicking for each page access. I’m sure an SSD would speed up stuff like that quite a lot.

But the price differential is still pretty large for the amount of storage you get on an SSD versus a spinning hard drive. I’ll be looking for a new laptop next year, when this one will be six years old, and when that time comes I’ll see what prices are like for one with an SSD or a combo drive in it if any are available.

Evan

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 12:42 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

You can grab a 500 GB SSD for less than $50 if you keep an eye out for sales at this point. I’ve even seen 128 GB SSDs on sale for like $20 recently. Also, some laptops and pretty much all desktops have the ability to have 2 drives in them. People often have a small 128 GB SSD for their operating system and sundry files with a separate large capacity mechanical drive for storage. My wife’s Dell laptop that we got her last year is set up like this. A 256 GB SSD and 1 TB mechanical drive. It’s a 17.3 inch beast. MSRP was something like $1200, but we got it on sale for less than $700 I think.

You don’t even need to spend that much money if you want to look for a combo drive machine either.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Okay, it may be well worth it to you, but not to me. 256 gigs isn’t enough to store my music collection, let alone my NLS books, among other stuff, so I would still need a hard drive to store that. So I may as well save the money and get the hard drive and skip the SSD. I can get a regular hard drive with nearly ten times that much storage for almost the same price. So the price differential between a spinning hard drive and an SSD for the same amount of storage is still substantial. How much would a 2 terabyte SSD cost me?

Evan

 

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

The price of an SSD is well worth it. You can grab a 256 gb Samsung 860 evo for 50 or so dollars, which is a high end SSD.

On 11/30/2019 9:22 AM, Evan Reese wrote:

Oh I’m sure I could tell the difference if I got an SSD. The problem is that my bank account will tell a much bigger difference than any difference that matters to me. <smile>

Prices are coming down, but solid state drives are still substantially more expensive than mechanical drives, which are also still decreasing in price. If SSD’s ever catch up to hard drives in cost, then I will get one.

Evan

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

And how do you use your computer?  You may use it in ways that it matters.  Or maybe you just want speed to have and experience it.  People who express such opinions should put them in context so that others can assess what is being said. 

 

And again, I never made such a ridiculous statement, that is, I never said you can't tell the difference.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Lenron

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Oh you can for sure tell the difference. No way would I buy a computer
with out on SSD, at least not one I was going to use as my main
machine.

On 11/30/19, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
> wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the
> difference between an HDD and SSD?
>
> On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
>> If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date,
>> by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.
>> Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a
>> processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't
>> run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is
>> somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters,
>> and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money
>> isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need
>> to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on
>> their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.
>> Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they
>> are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that
>> are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they
>> would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at
>> all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail,
>> browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming
>> speed processors.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original M3essage -----
>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>
>> I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided
>> model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles,
>> most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices.
>> Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the
>> box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner
>> as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle
>> applications earlier than a more current machine.
>> On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof
>>> something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they
>>> want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's
>>> their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a
>>> reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they
>>> use computers.
>>> Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I
>>> didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of
>>> date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that
>>> it isn't something they should consider when they might very well
>>> find it very satisfactory.
>>> I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing
>>> should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to
>>> think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money
>>> than they need to.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>
>>> It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to
>>> future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably
>>> updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
>>> On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of
>>>> videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.
>>>>
>>>> I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp,
>>>> and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and
>>>> HJPad all open.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a
>>>> drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2,
>>>> while still going through email in Outlook.
>>>>
>>>> James B
>>>>
>>>> *From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Gene
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
>>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast
>>>> as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user
>>>> who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words,
>>>> for the majority of users.
>>>>
>>>> A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of
>>>> purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest
>>>> and most powerful technology.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:*enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and
>>>> number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my
>>>> five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this
>>>> probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Amy,
>>>>
>>>>     I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.
>>>>     It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my
>>>>     hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it
>>>>     better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth
>>>>     laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11
>>>>     hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low
>>>>     because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD
>>>>     reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have
>>>>     an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.
>>>>     I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say
>>>>     for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales
>>>>     tax with free delivery.
>>>>
>>>>     Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D
>>>>
>>>>     *Product description*
>>>>
>>>>     Style:*Notebook only*
>>>>
>>>>     Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs:
>>>>     8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo
>>>>     Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10
>>>>     Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit
>>>>     IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe
>>>>     NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers,
>>>>     Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones,
>>>>     802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz
>>>>     and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port),
>>>>     Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
>>>>     supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1
>>>>     (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one
>>>>     with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with
>>>>     HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life,
>>>>     3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>     <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
>>>>     Behalf Of Amy Gordon
>>>>     Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
>>>>     To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or
>>>>     anything so
>>>>
>>>>     not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad
>>>>
>>>>     definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     > You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said
>>>>     anything about
>>>>
>>>>     > things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.
>>>>      are you going
>>>>
>>>>     > to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough
>>>>     so size and
>>>>
>>>>     > weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or
>>>>     don't you care
>>>>
>>>>     > about that?
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Gene
>>>>
>>>>     > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > From: Amy Gordon
>>>>
>>>>     > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM
>>>>
>>>>     > To: TechTalk
>>>>
>>>>     > Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had
>>>>     trouble with
>>>>
>>>>     > ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse
>>>>     so I
>>>>
>>>>     > know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my
>>>>
>>>>     > computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking
>>>>
>>>>     > surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you
>>>>     have for a
>>>>
>>>>     > new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     > Amy
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

Gene
 

That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

wayne <greenwood33@...>
 


When it comes to ssd drives you are right. There's one thing that isn't being considered when it comes too ssd drives and that is not all ssd drives perform equally. You would have to look at the specs on the ssd drive and the price of the drive verses a mechanical drive. You may find that an inexpensive ssd drive may not perform as well as a mechanical drive. There's a lot of things to read about and know about ssd drives, so if you're going to spend a good amount of money on ssd drives you must consider the performance of the drive you're interested in. and as a note, there are many ways to tell whether your computer has shut down. Jerald levy's solution works well. All you need to do is, is have a smart mini u s b fan. Just plug it inbefore you shut the computer down.There you go, his solution is a great one.
Wayne
 

---- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Sorry, but I just can’t agree that the price differential between SSD’s and traditional hard drives is not that great. It’s still very large.
You’re saying that a 1TB SSD for $100 is a good deal? Well, I bought two Seagate USB powered 2TB external hard drives in September of 2017, that’s over two years ago, for $69 a piece! That’s 4TB for $140. I haven’t looked lately, but prices on similar drives surely must be even better now than they were then. Even in the extremely unlikely event that prices for hard drives haven’t declined at all since then, 2TB for $69 is a heck of a lot better than 1TB for $100.
Evan
 
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 

That’s kind of my point. The difference in price isn’t what it used to be. At least not to the point to where it would induce sticker shock like before or be the determining factor when buying something.

My mother for example this week wanted to get a spare machine for a separate business she has and to let my Internet novice dad surf the web, but didn’t want to spend a lot of money on it since it would be meant for light use. Browsing the web, playing music, maybe some spread sheet and word processing stuff, etc.

I found her on eBay a refurbished $199 HP tower with 8 GB ram (upgradable to 16 GB), a ton of USB ports, quad-core i-core 5 3rd generation processor (3.2 GHZ) and a 256 GB SSD. Being a tower, it also had another bay to install a separate drive if she wanted the extra storage or to be able to back up internally without having to use an external drive.

I’ve seen 1 TB SSDs pop up for less than $100 too which is crazy cheap considering what they used to go for.

Also, a lot of us are probably not on our first machine so likely, we’ve got older computers laying around collecting dust. It’s easy enough to pull out the hard drive from that machine and repurpose it for extra storage.

It’s of course not essential or even necessary that one have an SSD in their system, but the notion that SSD storage is uber expensive is kind of an outdated one.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Yeah, I’ve been thinking that I might like a combo drive for my next laptop, but my laptop is my exclusive PC, and I don’t know if they come with those combo drives. I haven’t looked much lately. There are situations where an SSD would make a noticeable difference. For example, K1000 seems to use the hard drive for just about everything, so doing a search and replace on a book can take a lot longer than it would if the file were on an SSD. Each page is its own file, and in older machines, I used to be able to hear the hard drive clicking for each page access. I’m sure an SSD would speed up stuff like that quite a lot.

But the price differential is still pretty large for the amount of storage you get on an SSD versus a spinning hard drive. I’ll be looking for a new laptop next year, when this one will be six years old, and when that time comes I’ll see what prices are like for one with an SSD or a combo drive in it if any are available.

Evan

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 12:42 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

You can grab a 500 GB SSD for less than $50 if you keep an eye out for sales at this point. I’ve even seen 128 GB SSDs on sale for like $20 recently. Also, some laptops and pretty much all desktops have the ability to have 2 drives in them. People often have a small 128 GB SSD for their operating system and sundry files with a separate large capacity mechanical drive for storage. My wife’s Dell laptop that we got her last year is set up like this. A 256 GB SSD and 1 TB mechanical drive. It’s a 17.3 inch beast. MSRP was something like $1200, but we got it on sale for less than $700 I think.

You don’t even need to spend that much money if you want to look for a combo drive machine either.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Okay, it may be well worth it to you, but not to me. 256 gigs isn’t enough to store my music collection, let alone my NLS books, among other stuff, so I would still need a hard drive to store that. So I may as well save the money and get the hard drive and skip the SSD. I can get a regular hard drive with nearly ten times that much storage for almost the same price. So the price differential between a spinning hard drive and an SSD for the same amount of storage is still substantial. How much would a 2 terabyte SSD cost me?

Evan

 

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

The price of an SSD is well worth it. You can grab a 256 gb Samsung 860 evo for 50 or so dollars, which is a high end SSD.

On 11/30/2019 9:22 AM, Evan Reese wrote:

Oh I’m sure I could tell the difference if I got an SSD. The problem is that my bank account will tell a much bigger difference than any difference that matters to me. <smile>

Prices are coming down, but solid state drives are still substantially more expensive than mechanical drives, which are also still decreasing in price. If SSD’s ever catch up to hard drives in cost, then I will get one.

Evan

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

And how do you use your computer?  You may use it in ways that it matters.  Or maybe you just want speed to have and experience it.  People who express such opinions should put them in context so that others can assess what is being said. 

 

And again, I never made such a ridiculous statement, that is, I never said you can't tell the difference.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Lenron

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Oh you can for sure tell the difference. No way would I buy a computer
with out on SSD, at least not one I was going to use as my main
machine.

On 11/30/19, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
> wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the
> difference between an HDD and SSD?
>
> On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
>> If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date,
>> by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.
>> Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a
>> processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't
>> run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is
>> somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters,
>> and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money
>> isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need
>> to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on
>> their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.
>> Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they
>> are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that
>> are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they
>> would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at
>> all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail,
>> browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming
>> speed processors.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original M3essage -----
>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>
>> I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided
>> model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles,
>> most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices.
>> Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the
>> box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner
>> as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle
>> applications earlier than a more current machine.
>> On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof
>>> something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they
>>> want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's
>>> their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a
>>> reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they
>>> use computers.
>>> Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I
>>> didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of
>>> date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that
>>> it isn't something they should consider when they might very well
>>> find it very satisfactory.
>>> I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing
>>> should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to
>>> think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money
>>> than they need to.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>
>>> It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to
>>> future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably
>>> updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
>>> On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of
>>>> videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.
>>>>
>>>> I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp,
>>>> and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and
>>>> HJPad all open.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a
>>>> drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2,
>>>> while still going through email in Outlook.
>>>>
>>>> James B
>>>>
>>>> *From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Gene
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
>>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast
>>>> as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user
>>>> who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words,
>>>> for the majority of users.
>>>>
>>>> A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of
>>>> purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest
>>>> and most powerful technology.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:*enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and
>>>> number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my
>>>> five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this
>>>> probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Amy,
>>>>
>>>>     I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.
>>>>     It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my
>>>>     hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it
>>>>     better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth
>>>>     laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11
>>>>     hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low
>>>>     because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD
>>>>     reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have
>>>>     an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.
>>>>     I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say
>>>>     for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales
>>>>     tax with free delivery.
>>>>
>>>>     Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D
>>>>
>>>>     *Product description*
>>>>
>>>>     Style:*Notebook only*
>>>>
>>>>     Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs:
>>>>     8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo
>>>>     Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10
>>>>     Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit
>>>>     IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe
>>>>     NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers,
>>>>     Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones,
>>>>     802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz
>>>>     and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port),
>>>>     Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
>>>>     supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1
>>>>     (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one
>>>>     with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with
>>>>     HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life,
>>>>     3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>     <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
>>>>     Behalf Of Amy Gordon
>>>>     Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
>>>>     To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or
>>>>     anything so
>>>>
>>>>     not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad
>>>>
>>>>     definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     > You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said
>>>>     anything about
>>>>
>>>>     > things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.
>>>>      are you going
>>>>
>>>>     > to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough
>>>>     so size and
>>>>
>>>>     > weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or
>>>>     don't you care
>>>>
>>>>     > about that?
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Gene
>>>>
>>>>     > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > From: Amy Gordon
>>>>
>>>>     > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM
>>>>
>>>>     > To: TechTalk
>>>>
>>>>     > Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had
>>>>     trouble with
>>>>
>>>>     > ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse
>>>>     so I
>>>>
>>>>     > know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my
>>>>
>>>>     > computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking
>>>>
>>>>     > surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you
>>>>     have for a
>>>>
>>>>     > new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     > Amy
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

enes sarıbaş
 

Well, I have a 5 tb external, 1 tb external, and 500 gb hdd that I took out of my laptop when upgrading to an SSD. So I use externals for storage, and the internal SSD for the operating system.

On 11/30/2019 11:24 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Okay, it may be well worth it to you, but not to me. 256 gigs isn’t enough to store my music collection, let alone my NLS books, among other stuff, so I would still need a hard drive to store that. So I may as well save the money and get the hard drive and skip the SSD. I can get a regular hard drive with nearly ten times that much storage for almost the same price. So the price differential between a spinning hard drive and an SSD for the same amount of storage is still substantial. How much would a 2 terabyte SSD cost me?
Evan
 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 

The price of an SSD is well worth it. You can grab a 256 gb Samsung 860 evo for 50 or so dollars, which is a high end SSD.

On 11/30/2019 9:22 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Oh I’m sure I could tell the difference if I got an SSD. The problem is that my bank account will tell a much bigger difference than any difference that matters to me. <smile>
Prices are coming down, but solid state drives are still substantially more expensive than mechanical drives, which are also still decreasing in price. If SSD’s ever catch up to hard drives in cost, then I will get one.
Evan
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 
And how do you use your computer?  You may use it in ways that it matters.  Or maybe you just want speed to have and experience it.  People who express such opinions should put them in context so that others can assess what is being said. 
 
And again, I never made such a ridiculous statement, that is, I never said you can't tell the difference.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Lenron
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 
Oh you can for sure tell the difference. No way would I buy a computer
with out on SSD, at least not one I was going to use as my main
machine.

On 11/30/19, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
> wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the
> difference between an HDD and SSD?
>
> On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
>> If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date,
>> by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.
>> Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a
>> processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't
>> run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is
>> somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters,
>> and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money
>> isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need
>> to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on
>> their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.
>> Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they
>> are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that
>> are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they
>> would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at
>> all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail,
>> browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming
>> speed processors.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original M3essage -----
>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>
>> I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided
>> model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles,
>> most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices.
>> Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the
>> box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner
>> as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle
>> applications earlier than a more current machine.
>> On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof
>>> something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they
>>> want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's
>>> their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a
>>> reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they
>>> use computers.
>>> Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I
>>> didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of
>>> date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that
>>> it isn't something they should consider when they might very well
>>> find it very satisfactory.
>>> I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing
>>> should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to
>>> think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money
>>> than they need to.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>
>>> It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to
>>> future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably
>>> updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
>>> On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of
>>>> videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.
>>>>
>>>> I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp,
>>>> and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and
>>>> HJPad all open.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a
>>>> drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2,
>>>> while still going through email in Outlook.
>>>>
>>>> James B
>>>>
>>>> *From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Gene
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
>>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast
>>>> as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user
>>>> who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words,
>>>> for the majority of users.
>>>>
>>>> A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of
>>>> purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest
>>>> and most powerful technology.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:*enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and
>>>> number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my
>>>> five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this
>>>> probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Amy,
>>>>
>>>>     I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.
>>>>     It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my
>>>>     hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it
>>>>     better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth
>>>>     laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11
>>>>     hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low
>>>>     because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD
>>>>     reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have
>>>>     an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.
>>>>     I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say
>>>>     for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales
>>>>     tax with free delivery.
>>>>
>>>>     Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D
>>>>
>>>>     *Product description*
>>>>
>>>>     Style:*Notebook only*
>>>>
>>>>     Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs:
>>>>     8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo
>>>>     Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10
>>>>     Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit
>>>>     IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe
>>>>     NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers,
>>>>     Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones,
>>>>     802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz
>>>>     and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port),
>>>>     Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
>>>>     supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1
>>>>     (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one
>>>>     with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with
>>>>     HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life,
>>>>     3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>     <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
>>>>     Behalf Of Amy Gordon
>>>>     Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
>>>>     To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or
>>>>     anything so
>>>>
>>>>     not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad
>>>>
>>>>     definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     > You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said
>>>>     anything about
>>>>
>>>>     > things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.
>>>>      are you going
>>>>
>>>>     > to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough
>>>>     so size and
>>>>
>>>>     > weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or
>>>>     don't you care
>>>>
>>>>     > about that?
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Gene
>>>>
>>>>     > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > From: Amy Gordon
>>>>
>>>>     > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM
>>>>
>>>>     > To: TechTalk
>>>>
>>>>     > Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had
>>>>     trouble with
>>>>
>>>>     > ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse
>>>>     so I
>>>>
>>>>     > know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my
>>>>
>>>>     > computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking
>>>>
>>>>     > surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you
>>>>     have for a
>>>>
>>>>     > new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     > Amy
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


enes sarıbaş
 

No I absolutely can tell. If I put my ear to the laptop, I can hear the fan spinning at even the lowest setting. Also, I don't need to do that as the fan always spins faster for the most part.

On 11/30/2019 12:50 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
Have you ever had any trouble telling if the machine is on? I mean, what if your voice quits? How do you know whether the machine is still on? Has that ever come up?
Evan


-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I can't really tell the difference.  I replaced the regular drive with a
solid state drive.  The only difference I can tell is that it's quiet.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Lenron
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:56 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Oh you can for sure tell the difference. No way would I buy a computer
with out on SSD, at least not one I was going to use as my main
machine.

On 11/30/19, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the
difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date,
by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.
Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a
processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't
run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is
somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters,
and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money
isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need
to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on
their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.
Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they
are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that
are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they
would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at
all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail,
browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming
speed processors.
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided
model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles,
most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices.
Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the
box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner
as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle
applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof
something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they
want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's
their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a
reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they
use computers.
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I
didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of
date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that
it isn't something they should consider when they might very well
find it very satisfactory.
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing
should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to
think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money
than they need to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to
future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably
updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of
videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp,
and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and
HJPad all open.

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a
drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2,
while still going through email in Outlook.

James B

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast
as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user
who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words,
for the majority of users.

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of
purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest
and most powerful technology.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and
number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my
five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this
probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

    Hi Amy,

    I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.
    It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my
    hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad. I like it
    better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth
    laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11
    hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low
    because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD
    reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have
    an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.
    I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

    Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say
    for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales
    tax with free delivery.

    Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.


https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

    *Product description*

    Style:*Notebook only*

    Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs:
    8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo
    Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10
    Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit
    IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe
    NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers,
    Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones,
    802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz
    and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port),
    Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
    supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1
    (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one
    with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with
    HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life,
    3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

    -----Original Message-----
    From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
    <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
    Behalf Of Amy Gordon
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
    To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
    Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

    Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or
    anything so

    not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

    definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

    Thanks

    On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
    wrote:

    > You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said
    anything about

    > things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.
     are you going

    > to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough
    so size and

    > weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or
    don't you care

    > about that?

    >

    > Gene

    > ----- Original Message -----

    >

    > From: Amy Gordon

    > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

    > To: TechTalk

    > Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

    >

    >

    > Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had
    trouble with

    > ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse
    so I

    > know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

    > computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

    > surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you
    have for a

    > new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

    > Amy

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >


enes sarıbaş
 

I beg to disagree. Firefox usually hoggs around 30% of my CPU constantly, until I close it.  It makes my laptop fans scream  constantly, so I shut it down.

On 11/30/2019 9:24 PM, Gene wrote:
A browser doesn't hog anything when it isn't being used.  It just sits there.  No program does anything if it is intended to just sit when not being used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Well I do not run programs I am not using in the background for them to hog CPU

On 11/30/2019 11:17 AM, Gene wrote:
Why would you launch it so many times?  You appear to be begging the question.  If people find a program takes a long time to open, and Firefox is somewhat notorious for that, common sense would dictate just leaving it opened. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

enes sarıbaş
 

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

wayne <greenwood33@...>
 


When it comes to ssd drives you're doing it right. I want to encourage all of you that don't know about ssd drives or maybe you do know a little about them, but there's a lot to learn about them so learn all you can.
 
Wayne
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Well, I have a 5 tb external, 1 tb external, and 500 gb hdd that I took out of my laptop when upgrading to an SSD. So I use externals for storage, and the internal SSD for the operating system.

On 11/30/2019 11:24 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Okay, it may be well worth it to you, but not to me. 256 gigs isn’t enough to store my music collection, let alone my NLS books, among other stuff, so I would still need a hard drive to store that. So I may as well save the money and get the hard drive and skip the SSD. I can get a regular hard drive with nearly ten times that much storage for almost the same price. So the price differential between a spinning hard drive and an SSD for the same amount of storage is still substantial. How much would a 2 terabyte SSD cost me?
Evan
 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 

The price of an SSD is well worth it. You can grab a 256 gb Samsung 860 evo for 50 or so dollars, which is a high end SSD.

On 11/30/2019 9:22 AM, Evan Reese wrote:
Oh I’m sure I could tell the difference if I got an SSD. The problem is that my bank account will tell a much bigger difference than any difference that matters to me. <smile>
Prices are coming down, but solid state drives are still substantially more expensive than mechanical drives, which are also still decreasing in price. If SSD’s ever catch up to hard drives in cost, then I will get one.
Evan
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 
And how do you use your computer?  You may use it in ways that it matters.  Or maybe you just want speed to have and experience it.  People who express such opinions should put them in context so that others can assess what is being said. 
 
And again, I never made such a ridiculous statement, that is, I never said you can't tell the difference.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Lenron
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
 
Oh you can for sure tell the difference. No way would I buy a computer
with out on SSD, at least not one I was going to use as my main
machine.

On 11/30/19, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
> wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the
> difference between an HDD and SSD?
>
> On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
>> If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date,
>> by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.
>> Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a
>> processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't
>> run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is
>> somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters,
>> and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money
>> isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need
>> to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on
>> their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.
>> Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they
>> are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that
>> are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they
>> would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at
>> all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail,
>> browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming
>> speed processors.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original M3essage -----
>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>
>> I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided
>> model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles,
>> most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices.
>> Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the
>> box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner
>> as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle
>> applications earlier than a more current machine.
>> On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof
>>> something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they
>>> want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's
>>> their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a
>>> reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they
>>> use computers.
>>> Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I
>>> didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of
>>> date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that
>>> it isn't something they should consider when they might very well
>>> find it very satisfactory.
>>> I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing
>>> should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to
>>> think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money
>>> than they need to.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>
>>> It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to
>>> future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably
>>> updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
>>> On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of
>>>> videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.
>>>>
>>>> I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp,
>>>> and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and
>>>> HJPad all open.
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a
>>>> drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2,
>>>> while still going through email in Outlook.
>>>>
>>>> James B
>>>>
>>>> *From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Gene
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
>>>> *To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast
>>>> as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user
>>>> who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words,
>>>> for the majority of users.
>>>>
>>>> A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of
>>>> purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest
>>>> and most powerful technology.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:*enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>> That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and
>>>> number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my
>>>> five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this
>>>> probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Amy,
>>>>
>>>>     I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.
>>>>     It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my
>>>>     hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it
>>>>     better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth
>>>>     laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11
>>>>     hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low
>>>>     because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD
>>>>     reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have
>>>>     an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.
>>>>     I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say
>>>>     for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales
>>>>     tax with free delivery.
>>>>
>>>>     Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D
>>>>
>>>>     *Product description*
>>>>
>>>>     Style:*Notebook only*
>>>>
>>>>     Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs:
>>>>     8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo
>>>>     Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10
>>>>     Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit
>>>>     IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe
>>>>     NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers,
>>>>     Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones,
>>>>     802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz
>>>>     and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port),
>>>>     Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
>>>>     supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1
>>>>     (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one
>>>>     with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with
>>>>     HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life,
>>>>     3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
>>>>     <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
>>>>     Behalf Of Amy Gordon
>>>>     Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
>>>>     To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or
>>>>     anything so
>>>>
>>>>     not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad
>>>>
>>>>     definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     > You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said
>>>>     anything about
>>>>
>>>>     > things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.
>>>>      are you going
>>>>
>>>>     > to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough
>>>>     so size and
>>>>
>>>>     > weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or
>>>>     don't you care
>>>>
>>>>     > about that?
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Gene
>>>>
>>>>     > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > From: Amy Gordon
>>>>
>>>>     > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM
>>>>
>>>>     > To: TechTalk
>>>>
>>>>     > Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     > Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had
>>>>     trouble with
>>>>
>>>>     > ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse
>>>>     so I
>>>>
>>>>     > know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my
>>>>
>>>>     > computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking
>>>>
>>>>     > surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you
>>>>     have for a
>>>>
>>>>     > new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     > Amy
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>>>     >
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, that is. I actually didn't think about that. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I think the AM radio idea is a good one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Yes, a small usb fan is a good solution.

I have a “new to me” hp small desktop; it has a sata drive which is mechanical and it is so quiet I cannot tell if the unit is on or off.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November-30-19 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop



Shutting down with speech doesn't tell you if the shut down has gone properly. You just know that it has started. You need a way to know if shutdown completed such as a USB fan that stops when the machine shuts down, or, I would think a small A.M. radio could be used so you would know when computer radio interference stopped.



A lot of mechanical drives are very quiet. You might not hear enough sound from them to reliably know if they stopped.



Gene

----- Ori9ginal Message -----

From: Evan Reese <mailto:mentat1@...>

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 12:50 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop



Have you ever had any trouble telling if the machine is on? I mean, what if your voice quits? How do you know whether the machine is still on? Has that ever come up?
Evan


-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I can't really tell the difference. I replaced the regular drive with a solid state drive. The only difference I can tell is that it's quiet. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:56 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Oh you can for sure tell the difference. No way would I buy a computer with out on SSD, at least not one I was going to use as my main machine.

On 11/30/19, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@... <mailto:enes.saribas@...> > wrote:
wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the
difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date,
by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.
Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a
processor is a little slower por not. they are not gamers, they
don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor
that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range
matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even
if money isn't particularly tight. Many people spend more money than
they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need
based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.
Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and
they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines
that are plenty fast for them. and if they really do want more
speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe,
though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory. Word
processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require
gaming or near gaming speed processors.
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided
model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles,
most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices.
Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the
box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced
sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle
applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof
something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they
want to replace the computer because of age or newer features,
that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they
buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change
how they use computers.
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users. I
didn't say nor imply that you are. But saying something is out of
date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that
it isn't something they should consider when they might very well
find it very satisfactory.
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future
proofing should be put in context. Not doing so may cause many
people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot
more, money than they need to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to
future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably
updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of
videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp,
and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and
HJPad all open.

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a
drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2,
while still going through email in Outlook.

James B

*From:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
*To:* main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Outdated for what or in what way? Do you mean that it isn't as
fast as newer ones? I would expect that is of no consequence for a
user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other
words, for the majority of users.

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of
purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely
newest and most powerful technology.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*enes sarıbaş <mailto:enes.saribas@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

*To:*main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

That is a nice unit, especially because of the ethernet port and
number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my
five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this
probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.
It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my
hands. It is extremely fast and it has a number pad. I like it
better than any laptop that I have ever owned. This is my fifth
laptop in about 4 years. Its battery life for me is over 11
hours. Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low
because I do not need to see the screen. It does not have a DVD
reader/burner. It also does not have an SD card reader. I have
an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.
I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

Maybe there will be some sale prices next week. I can’t say
for sure. For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales
tax with free delivery.

Here are a few details along with an Amazon link.


https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-5
1DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4
ET3D313ZV7XE7D

*Product description*

Style:*Notebook only*

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs:
8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo
Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10
Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit
IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe
NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers,
Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones,
802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz
and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port),
Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader
supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1
(Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one
with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with
HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life,
3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or
anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number
pad

definately. One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...> <mailto:gsasner@...>>
wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer. But you haven't said
anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.
are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough
so size and

> weight matter much. Do you want a model with a numpad or
don't you care

> about that?

>

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

>

>

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had
trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago. It is getting worse
so I

> know there will be sales coming soon. I currently use Jaws
on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email,
taking

> surveys, facebook etc. Was wondering what suggestions you
have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?
Thanks

> Amy

>

>

>

>

>

>



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Cell: 985-271-2832
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Gene
 

I don't know why it does that on your machine.  I don't recall ever seeing that complaint before.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I beg to disagree. Firefox usually hoggs around 30% of my CPU constantly, until I close it.  It makes my laptop fans scream  constantly, so I shut it down.

On 11/30/2019 9:24 PM, Gene wrote:
A browser doesn't hog anything when it isn't being used.  It just sits there.  No program does anything if it is intended to just sit when not being used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Well I do not run programs I am not using in the background for them to hog CPU

On 11/30/2019 11:17 AM, Gene wrote:
Why would you launch it so many times?  You appear to be begging the question.  If people find a program takes a long time to open, and Firefox is somewhat notorious for that, common sense would dictate just leaving it opened. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

Gene
 

So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

Gerald Levy
 


This is true as long as the SSD has a lot of memory capacity.  So a 512 gb SSD should theorhetically last longer and thus be more reliable than a 128 gb SSD because it has more memory cells in reserve in case some of them wear out over time from repeated read/write cycles.


Gerald



On 12/1/2019 5:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

enes sarıbaş
 

Theoretically a drive has enough cycles  that use isn't a problem normally. But conversion of large files, and caching, in which ram is faster, use alot of SSD write cycles, esspecially with the ware leveling algorithms

On 12/1/2019 4:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

enes sarıbaş
 

This was what I wanted to say. And larger ones aren't very costly relatively to what they were. Intel is selling a PCE 1 tb ssd for 83 dollars.

On 12/1/2019 5:16 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


This is true as long as the SSD has a lot of memory capacity.  So a 512 gb SSD should theorhetically last longer and thus be more reliable than a 128 gb SSD because it has more memory cells in reserve in case some of them wear out over time from repeated read/write cycles.


Gerald



On 12/1/2019 5:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

Gene
 

You would think caching would be turned off when Windows detects an SSD drive, but I don't know if that is practical, not being a tech or programmer.  But if someone is working with sound and video editing and using large files such as wave files which they edit and then convert to another format, your comments appear to imply that that is not a good use of an SSD, which in my opinion, calls into question the whole point of having one.  I'm not saying anything definite, I don't have the technical knowledge.  But that appears to be the implication of your comments.  It is common, for example, to edit a recording, let's say an hour or an hour and one-half in an uncompressed format, then save it in a compressed format.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Theoretically a drive has enough cycles  that use isn't a problem normally. But conversion of large files, and caching, in which ram is faster, use alot of SSD write cycles, esspecially with the ware leveling algorithms

On 12/1/2019 4:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 

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You would likely save the large recording file onto the mechanical drive, not the SSD. And it absolutely does not call into question the use of one. An SSD allows programs to install, run and function alot faster, and enables multitasking on a machine through high iops values.

On 12/1/2019 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
You would think caching would be turned off when Windows detects an SSD drive, but I don't know if that is practical, not being a tech or programmer.  But if someone is working with sound and video editing and using large files such as wave files which they edit and then convert to another format, your comments appear to imply that that is not a good use of an SSD, which in my opinion, calls into question the whole point of having one.  I'm not saying anything definite, I don't have the technical knowledge.  But that appears to be the implication of your comments.  It is common, for example, to edit a recording, let's say an hour or an hour and one-half in an uncompressed format, then save it in a compressed format.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Theoretically a drive has enough cycles  that use isn't a problem normally. But conversion of large files, and caching, in which ram is faster, use alot of SSD write cycles, esspecially with the ware leveling algorithms

On 12/1/2019 4:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>