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NVDA is improved!


Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation. I also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it would voice the current one. This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been resolved! I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively. Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
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Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
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"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Victor
 

I started using NVDA shortly after it’s first release. I did so because I wanted to support a free screen reader in the hopes that it would eventually be as good as jaws. Back then, I wasn’t sure that it ever would be. Thankfully, it is definitely as good as jaws and it may turn out to be better than jaws someday soon. I’m glad you’re enjoying the latest version.

Blessings,

Victor

On Oct 17, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation. I also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it would voice the current one. This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been resolved! I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively. Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."





David Goldfield
 

For me, one of the most noticeable improvements with recent NVDA versions is its responsiveness in navigating through Word files with standard arrow key navigation. On newer, faster machines this was never really a problem. However, with my older Dell desktop there would often be a significant lag from the time I pressed a navigation key, such as right arrow, until the time when I actually received feedback on where my cursor or caret had moved to. There were settings I could adjust to make the delay more tolerable but Word was usually not a joy to use with NVDA. With some of the newer options which have been recently added the responsiveness in Word is now nearly as instant as what I receive in Notepad and, for me, this is just fantastic. Many thanks to NV Access for improving the accessibility to Office.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 10/17/2020 7:24 AM, Victor wrote:
I started using NVDA shortly after it’s first release. I did so because I wanted to support a free screen reader in the hopes that it would eventually be as good as jaws. Back then, I wasn’t sure that it ever would be. Thankfully, it is definitely as good as jaws and it may turn out to be better than jaws someday soon. I’m glad you’re enjoying the latest version.

Blessings,

Victor
On Oct 17, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation. I also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it would voice the current one. This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been resolved! I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively. Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dldbooks.com%2Fannparsons%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C8c919ab35d0142ef1a7408d8728f447a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637385306941272583%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=1cy0%2Bg52d8xZZOEoGbfbIKjGBCbr89p9sDPvDRCCZm8%3D&amp;reserved=0
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Not all those who wander are lost."






Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Ah Yes, I also started using NVDA a year or so after it's first release.  When was that now: maybe fifteen years ago.  I don't actually remember.  Back then, it was useful when JAWS crashed to navigate around the screen in Windows Explorer/My Computer and maybe leave a few notes in Notepad: nothing more. As time went on--particularly around 2012, it was around 75% as good as JAWS. It still had some issue with the browsers and major issue with the Microsoft Office Suite.  Slowly but surely, most of these focus and accessibility issues have been eliminated in the browsers (actually I think it works somewhat better than JAWS in the Chrome based browser.) and now, about the only thing that I use where it doesn't work as well as JAWS in some limited fashion is the Microsoft Office Suite.  If you don't have to use MS Office suite regularly, in my opinion, there is absolutely no need to purchase any other screen reader.  You might want to have another commercial version demo such as JAWS on your system for the rare instances that something might not work too well.  It's always good to stay somewhat flexible on that issue.  (My screen reader right or wrong is a bit over the top.)

In any case, hats off to the development team and all the add on developers as well for creating a truly great, free product.

On 10/17/2020 7:24 AM, Victor wrote:
I started using NVDA shortly after it’s first release. I did so because I wanted to support a free screen reader in the hopes that it would eventually be as good as jaws. Back then, I wasn’t sure that it ever would be. Thankfully, it is definitely as good as jaws and it may turn out to be better than jaws someday soon. I’m glad you’re enjoying the latest version.

Blessings,

Victor
On Oct 17, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation. I also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it would voice the current one. This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been resolved! I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively. Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."





--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


David Goldfield
 

NVDA officially began releasing alpha builds in 2006. I began using it in the summer of 2009 and its first official release was 2009.1, which I believed was released during the Thanksgiving weekend of that year. I felt that even those early betas in 2009 were still far more robust than Narrator was during that time. Browse mode worked quite well and most of the single letter navigation commands, such as H for heading, b for button, etc., were implemented, making the transition from JAWS extremely painless.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 10/17/2020 1:39 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Ah Yes, I also started using NVDA a year or so after it's first release.  When was that now: maybe fifteen years ago.  I don't actually remember.  Back then, it was useful when JAWS crashed to navigate around the screen in Windows Explorer/My Computer and maybe leave a few notes in Notepad: nothing more. As time went on--particularly around 2012, it was around 75% as good as JAWS. It still had some issue with the browsers and major issue with the Microsoft Office Suite.  Slowly but surely, most of these focus and accessibility issues have been eliminated in the browsers (actually I think it works somewhat better than JAWS in the Chrome based browser.) and now, about the only thing that I use where it doesn't work as well as JAWS in some limited fashion is the Microsoft Office Suite.  If you don't have to use MS Office suite regularly, in my opinion, there is absolutely no need to purchase any other screen reader.  You might want to have another commercial version demo such as JAWS on your system for the rare instances that something might not work too well.  It's always good to stay somewhat flexible on that issue.  (My screen reader right or wrong is a bit over the top.)

In any case, hats off to the development team and all the add on developers as well for creating a truly great, free product.


On 10/17/2020 7:24 AM, Victor wrote:
I started using NVDA shortly after it’s first release. I did so because I wanted to support a free screen reader in the hopes that it would eventually be as good as jaws. Back then, I wasn’t sure that it ever would be. Thankfully, it is definitely as good as jaws and it may turn out to be better than jaws someday soon. I’m glad you’re enjoying the latest version.

Blessings,

Victor
On Oct 17, 2020, at 4:15 AM, Ann Parsons <akp@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation.  I also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it would voice the current one.  This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been resolved!  I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively.  Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
Author of The Demmies: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dldbooks.com%2Fannparsons%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5a26dcc70a604f3795ec08d872c40d97%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637385533647011980%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=uwndRs5uF4DF0IJAlvz71sYW29ALTq3L2AocisvAROQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
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"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."







g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Thast true. I have been relearning NVDA as I played with it in the past.


g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

So how does it perform in zoom.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:15 AM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA is improved!

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use
the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation. I
also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists
because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it
would voice the current one. This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been
resolved! I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively.
Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Gene
 

You can tab around and hear the fields announced. It automatically announces things like whomever has joined or left a meeting and who has sent a chat message. I don't recallif it reads it or if you have to read it yourself. and if you want to control what announcements are announced, you can get an NVDA add-on which lets you control such information.

I suspect, though I don't know this, that Zoom uses forced speech to have these announcements read. I doubt the screen-reader has anything to do with this. I can't support that guess other than to say it just sounds like forced speech messages from what is said and how, not messages scripted into the screen-reader.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: g melconian
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io ; techtalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA is improved!

So how does it perform in zoom.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:15 AM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA is improved!

Hi all,

I used to have to switch to a different screen reader when I wanted to use
the BARD Express program because NVDA wouldn't read the entire anotation. I
also used to have to switch when doing anything having to do with lists
because NVDA would continually tell me the top item in the list before it
would voice the current one. This was annoying.

I find now, after the recent update, that both these problems have been
resolved! I'm a happy camper and I'm using NVDA almost exclusively.
Oh, and BTW, I like the way it behaves in Zoom!

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


enes sarıbaş
 

Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run microsoft word with NVDA?

On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.

Ann P.


Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


enes sarıbaş
 

Hello Quentin,

I would like to help with this if it ever happens  because  I am extremely unlucky that I have an i5 processor from 2014, which allows me to notice performance issues.


On 10/19/2020 2:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Enes!  I'll be sure to keep that in mind - sometimes it is not even necessarily about processor speech, but for instance, there was a bug which annoyed a number of Realtek users particularly - which we've tweaked a few things and I believe fixed now in 2020.3.


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:50 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin,

I would like to help with this if it ever happens  because  I am extremely unlucky that I have an i5 processor from 2014, which allows me to notice performance issues.


On 10/19/2020 2:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Quenton,

I use Excel and Access for databases to a degree.  I have to use a lot of the screen review keystrokes and maneuvers to get to buttons and menus to initiate functions.
Maybe this is Office related, but that's what I experience.


On 10/19/2020 3:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Quentin Christensen
 

No problem Ron!

If you prefer Jaws (overall or for some tasks) that's absolutely fine - I just wanted to try to find out if there was anything where NVDA was not working well that we could improve on.  Whether it is things another screenreader does better, or just something which doesn't work well in general.

Quentin.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:16 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Quenton,

I use Excel and Access for databases to a degree.  I have to use a lot of the screen review keystrokes and maneuvers to get to buttons and menus to initiate functions.
Maybe this is Office related, but that's what I experience.


On 10/19/2020 3:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


enes sarıbaş
 

Quentin,

another question. I know I might have asked this before, but are there plans to make NVDA natively 64 bit? Other screen readers produce 64 bit packages since 2009, and this would enable better performance on the majority of systems and  enable java support without importing the old accessible bridge DLL.

On 10/19/2020 9:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
No problem Ron!

If you prefer Jaws (overall or for some tasks) that's absolutely fine - I just wanted to try to find out if there was anything where NVDA was not working well that we could improve on.  Whether it is things another screenreader does better, or just something which doesn't work well in general.

Quentin.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:16 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Quenton,

I use Excel and Access for databases to a degree.  I have to use a lot of the screen review keystrokes and maneuvers to get to buttons and menus to initiate functions.
Maybe this is Office related, but that's what I experience.


On 10/19/2020 3:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Enes,

I know this has come up before, whether you or someone else asked.  I was sure we had an issue on GitHub, but I can't find it now.

My recollection is that there would need to be more work done than simply changing the output from 32-bit to 64-bit when building NVDA.  I believe also that the main benefit of 64-bit software is the access to additional memory, which at this point NVDA does not need.  Having video editing software or Excel with large spreadsheets in 64-bit has a clear advantage, but not so much for the screenreader.  If you find the issue on our GitHub page I am sure it has more technical information, but my searching skills are failing me just at the moment.

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:38 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

Quentin,

another question. I know I might have asked this before, but are there plans to make NVDA natively 64 bit? Other screen readers produce 64 bit packages since 2009, and this would enable better performance on the majority of systems and  enable java support without importing the old accessible bridge DLL.

On 10/19/2020 9:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
No problem Ron!

If you prefer Jaws (overall or for some tasks) that's absolutely fine - I just wanted to try to find out if there was anything where NVDA was not working well that we could improve on.  Whether it is things another screenreader does better, or just something which doesn't work well in general.

Quentin.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:16 AM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Quenton,

I use Excel and Access for databases to a degree.  I have to use a lot of the screen review keystrokes and maneuvers to get to buttons and menus to initiate functions.
Maybe this is Office related, but that's what I experience.


On 10/19/2020 3:47 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks everyone for your lovely comments.

Ron, out of curiosity, what does NVDA not work well with in Office?  There are a couple of isolated issues in PowerPoint and I'm not sure about Access, but otherwise, most of the issues in Office are issues with Office itself.

Enes,

Most times, when an issue takes a long time to be resolved, it is either because it is hard to reproduce, or hard to fix.  In some cases, problems only occur on particular hardware, or with certain other software (or versions of software) installed.  Unless an NVDA developer has that particular setup, it can sometimes be hard to diagnose.

NVDA does a number of things differently to other screenreaders.  In some cases, the end user wouldn't notice a difference .  In some cases, it has given NVDA an advantage - NVDA worked well with Windows 10 and the original Microsoft Edge, long before any other screenreader for instance.  In some cases, it goes the other way.  Something which a user might complain "just works" with another screenreader, simply can't be done in NVDA without a large amount of work.

In any case, I'm glad to hear it has improved in NVDA 2020.3!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 5:55 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
Ok what I am about to say  might make some folks angry but. Why did it
take so long  to fix NVDA and microsoft word lag issues? This has been
an issue ever since  I used Microsoft office,  with NVDA, and my tickets
that I opened about it, I was told it was just my computer and not the
fault of NVDA. Do I need a xeon or threadripper processor to run
microsoft word with NVDA?
On 10/18/2020 6:31 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA works great in Zoom, announces all the buttons and menus and so on.
>
> Ann P.
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager